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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:36 pm

wot us lot dangerous, yer avin a larf.....

We are peaceful men who attend to our religous duties and people.....


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Re: Game 8

Post by tek_604 on Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:41 am

Yeah, G8 is currently surprisingly quiet.

One point I find interesting is the handing over of Pomerania to Prussia by the Swedes. This potentially secures his southern border, which could make any Great Northern War interesting...

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Re: Game 8

Post by count-de-monet on Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:31 am

its still early days in G8 but its just great to see so many active nations. Long may that continune, because the more players, the more chance for mischief.

My comments on G8 so far would centre around

1) A totally mute France. Each player to their own, and obviously I dont know whats happening IN France (the stance may be proving successful) but France needs to be more visible in game worlds. That said the silence, I know is causing some considerable jitters in diplomatic correspondence so it is doing some good for the game.

2) A strong Ottoman Empire. I dont think this has to be seen as a bad thing, but then my position isnt in Eastern Europe or Mediterranean. I have always thought this could be a fantastic position if several players were active and well managed/co-ordinated. Well G8 looks like its going to show me the answer one way or another.

3) The Spanish Succession has the potential to get this game rolling from a military perspective. I know the Spanish player, who I get on really well with, wont thank me for this, but it looks like the Succession could be a major European event as was historically.....and poor Carlos looks like he's just taken a turn for the worse. Whatever happens I am fully expecting the Iberian Peninsula to be a driving force in our world.

Best of luck to you all, even King Louis The Mute King if you are reading.

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Re: Game 8

Post by baggins on Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:49 pm

I think playing it dumb as the french king may be the brilliant strategy, let the players forget all about france...then the french can strike when everyone else is fighting...

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Re: Game 8

Post by Hammer of God on Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:02 pm

The trouble with playing quiet or dumb is that if you do it too long then quiet becomes dead and the vultures start to pick at the edges of your empire ! Now which bit would benefit me Laughing

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Re: Game 8

Post by jamesbond007 on Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:44 am

The biggest problem with playing quiet or dumb is. That by the time you do get involved and wake up,all the other nations and players have formed alliances and friendships. Leaving you very isolated.
Being France,playing this way. You end up forcing the spanish player into the arms of Austria,when the succession starts.So France will have to face a catholic alliance of Spain,Austria and the German,Holy Roman Empire to start off with. Why do this?
So to answer the question Quiet or dumb. It looks like dumb to me. Wink
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Re: Game 8

Post by tek_604 on Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:07 am

jamesbond007 wrote:Being France,playing this way. You end up forcing the spanish player into the arms of Austria,when the succession starts.So France will have to face a catholic alliance of Spain,Austria and the German,Holy Roman Empire to start off with. Why do this?

While I agree with the rest of the post (being dumb or not), I do not agree with the proposed "Catholic Alliance" here. While I can see a Spain/Austria Catholic Alliance, it would remain to be seen which parts of the HRE would join. Bavaria naturally. But, the Protestant parts? I think not. Especially with a somewhat emerging power house in the HRE... Prussia-Brandenburg.

You could end up with a strange situation, of a Germany split along the lines of the 30 Years War, with the Protestants being allied to a Catholic France, especially if France allows Hugenout freedoms to secure the German Allies...

This whole situation is starting to sound like the 1632 Series of books Very Happy

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Re: Game 8

Post by jamesbond007 on Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:31 am

I think the pope may have something to say about a France-protestant alliance,against catholic nations.
French honour would get murdered.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:49 am

possibly BUT stranger things have happened it not all about relgion, its about La Glorie du Roi king


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Re: Game 8

Post by tek_604 on Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:53 am

Does French honour really rely upon the support of the Pope as much as Spain, for example?

French Kings always acted in the best interests of France, rather than in the best interests of the Pope. After all, the French intervened in the 30 years war on the Protestant side, when it looked like the Habsburgs would win, including funding the Swedes to the tune of 1,000,000 livres/year.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:21 am

correct France is always about France and France is the King so take your cue from that.


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Re: Game 8

Post by the great unwashed on Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:08 am

Kingmaker wrote:wot us lot dangerous, yer avin a larf.....

We are peaceful men who attend to our religous duties and people.....
for a passtime for all know that the true purpose of the Mamelukes is ...
Only six months have passed and already the tension is building up. It's nice being able to sit on the sideline and watch you all at play. Shocked

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Re: Game 8

Post by baggins on Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:23 am

The Declaration of the Clergy of France of 1682 means that the Gallican Church is semi-independent of the Pope.

If I were the Pope I would take care not to be to seen to be too obviously self-interested and political. If the Pope goes too far or is dumb enough to threaten excommunication for one of the major catholic states then if i were the French i would prepare the ground, say goodbye and set up my own rival pope in Avignon.

I think the Pope can get away with theological attacks on minor states but if he goes for France or Spain then he is in trouble more than they are.

This game sounds great, if anyone wants to share the newspaper im on celticloon@hotmail.com
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:27 am

the Pope needs Spain, Austria and France and to a lesser degreee Portugal they are his main supporters and money income. It would be truely dumb to have a go at one of them....


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Re: Game 8

Post by baggins on Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:05 pm

i have added a summary of game 8 to the LGDR wiki
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:54 am

cheers...


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Re: Game 8

Post by baggins on Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:08 pm

Pedants corner here but I note in the game that the Duke of Brunswick is known as the Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg. There is also a seperate character known as the Elector of Hanover.

In fact historically the Elector of Hanover has also the title the Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg. I suggest that the other state of Brunswick must refer therefore to the Duchy of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel.

Anyone agree/disgree?

Small point but wars have started over less!
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:53 pm

need Richard to clarify as there has been issues over this subject before


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Re: Game 8

Post by revvaughan on Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:46 pm

I hope we keep the wikis updated because it gives those of us who are not in certain games an idea of what is going on and a nudge to join at times. study scratch
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:49 pm

as long as some looks after each page i will update game 3 after each turn... if other can look ofterh the ones they hae started or volunteer to take on others...


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Re: Game 8

Post by revvaughan on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:07 pm

I will help with Game II
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:15 pm


I think setting up your own Pope in Avignon wouldn't be as easy as it sounds. The English Reformation was a bloody, bloody mess.

It might not be that bad if France did it and stayed catholic, but I think it would be a huge honor hit, and if the french king hadn't built up enough honor before he tried it civil war might break out.


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Re: Game 8

Post by Richard D. Watts on Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:27 am

On Hanover - Brunswick.... the games begin in 1700, and according to AGEMA what happened didn't until 1705 and therefore hasn't happened in-game unless it has happened in-game (if you follow the logic!).

Official explanation follows...

Hanover and Brunswick as separate principalities were created following the separation of the demesnes of the House of Welf von Brunswick-Luneburg.

This happened in 1638, when Hanover had the name of the Principality of Brunswick-Calenberg-Gottingen, but it became better known by the name of its main city, Hanover. The other domain formed by the split was the Principality of Brunswick-Luneburg.

The Duke of Hanover, Ernest Augustus I, reigned from 1680 and historically managed to unite Hanover with Brunswick in 1705. Although he died in 1698, he managed this by marrying his son Prince George Louis to the sole daughter of Duke George William of Brunswick-Luneburg, Sophia Dorothea of Celle. Then when historically Duke George William of Brunswick-Luneburg died in 1705 the two states formally joined together.

George Louis eventually become King George I of Britain and the Electoral Prince of Hanover.

Hanover gained the right to be known as the ninth electorate of the Holy Roman Empire in 1692 AD.

Bremen and Verden were (again, historically, not necessarily in the game!) added to Hanover in 1715.

Therefore AGEMA's got it right (not that I'm biased or trying to stir up a hornet's nest!). Ya Booh!
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Re: Game 8

Post by baggins on Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:50 am

we bow low, very low... cheers
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Re: Game 8

Post by Kingmaker on Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:56 pm

see told you pops up at the start of every new game...

BTW Richad = study + king


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