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Re: Game 8

Post by Ardagor on Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:32 pm

Yes, but at least for game 9 the deadline between turns is still 36 days. Deadline was 10th October, new turn sent out 31st October. That is 3 week. And then 15 days until next deadline, so turnaround time remain the same but only 2 weeks from turn received until deadline. Must be a problem for postal players.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:35 pm


I'm an email player, and I'm counting time between turns hitting my email box.


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Re: Game 8

Post by jamesbond007 on Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:40 am

I am still a postal player. I work nights, so I can do a turn in two or three days. I prefer quick turnaround times.

Agema players are generally getting older in years. So usually have more free time than younger parent players. Older players are often more impatient and thoughtful of how long certain game actions are taking. So I think most prefer quicker turns.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:07 pm

The turn was posted out to email players this morning.
If its of help for future readers of this thread.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:22 pm


Seems the economic miracle that is game 8 continues.

total position income up a lot, off what I think is fairly sizable base.

Tax revenue up a fair bit more than trade seeming to suggest the idea we've bandied about that EH is more tied to tax revenue and domestic events, while trade is more international and less driven by your EH.
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Re: Game 8

Post by The Real Louis on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:43 am

And alongside the economic news, it seems that Richard's npc in Ingria is determined to introduce a little actual warfare into the game...
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:35 pm


I think I'd be a bit cranky too if the russians moved into my house, announced they'd bought it from the swedes, and then got outraged at me.

Frankly, I'm surprised that this hasn't caused more public issues between Russia and the Swedes. Looks to me like the Swedes sold something they didn't own to the Russians...

I think it's natural in the game for players to focus on other players, but it seems to be that Ingria has been mistreated. The Russian player made a mistake in riding into a place he 'bought' without military backup. He has then doubled down by doing a lot of yelling at the people who are holding the 'home invader'.

I do think Richard is prone to have very contrary NPCs that don't cooperate on much of anything, but in this case, I think the NPC's behavior is mostly warranted.
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Re: Game 8

Post by The Real Louis on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:11 am

Deacon wrote:I do think Richard is prone to have very contrary NPCs that don't cooperate on much of anything, but in this case, I think the NPC's behavior is mostly warranted.

I'm inclined to agree, and especially about the Swedes being more liable than they are being held to account for - that's as the "history" of our game unfolds. Underneath of course are the mechanisms of the game, where the Swedish failing was caused (I'm thinking) by a change of players with a hiatus in between (rather then any actual duplicity on the part of a Swedish player). The Russian player was also a little over-sanguine, sending in the Tzar without an escort! However caused, it does seem that the Russian army is now going to have to march - and the British navy may have a chance to show its stuff...

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Re: Game 8

Post by count-de-monet on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:35 am

I should state up front I am posting from a very biased opinion...

To the best of my knowledge Ingria is part of the Swedish Empire, and a claim of independence does not make it so. My argument being if a personality in Hungary declared independence from Austria do all other game players have to accept that as fact ?

At the point of sale, Sweden was the sovereign ruler of Ingria. That sovereign right was sold to Russia, making Russia the legal owner. Ingria can object and complain but their actions are rebellion against the sovereign ruler....in my opinion.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:28 pm

It may be that the Swedes believe they have claim to the land.

They could sell that claim, but that's not the same as actually selling the land, because if you don't really have the land and its people in your possession and control, it isn't really 'yours'.

I play a vast colonial power. I own a lot that that isn't 'mine'. I just happen to know that I need to back up those claims with force of arms.

It may be that it was to the Tsar's benefit to buy the claim to avoid conflict with the Swedes, but you pay a lot less for a claim than you do for real property. You know you'll have to go enforce that claim.

Early in Game 8, I sold a claim to some property in Africa to another player. But I was clear I was selling a claim. I didn't have control/possession of the land.

In either case, I think the Ingrian response is the result of Russia's interactions with them on the issue. It is emotionally satisfying to yell at people like this, but it does tend to annoy them a lot! And surprisingly, annoyed people don't volunteer to give up their own identity to be ruled by strangers.
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Re: Game 8

Post by The Real Louis on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:00 pm

(One of) the curious things about the Ingrian situation is the non-active involvement of the Swedes. Is that nation npc again, does anybody know? You'd think a player would be getting stuck in, clearing their own honour and getting in a few military practices, or at least making some forceful comment on the rights and wrongs of what's been said and what's happening...

Meanwhile, else-wise in Game 8, my Economic improvements for the year have duly delivered - but also resulted in a halving of the newly available recruits. I still have plenty, of course, but it the starkest indication of the link between the two that I've yet seen.
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:15 pm


Agree. We haven't heard anything out of the swedes for a while. Wonder if the position is still in play.

Certainly, they should be involved in resolving the situation!

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Re: Game 8

Post by count-de-monet on Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:12 pm

maybe I should write to Denmark and agree a Swedish "solution" to our mutual benefit Very Happy

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Re: Game 8

Post by jamesbond007 on Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:14 am

The Real Louis wrote:(One of) the curious things about the Ingrian situation is the non-active involvement of the Swedes. Is that nation npc again, does anybody know? You'd think a player would be getting stuck in, clearing their own honour and getting in a few military practices, or at least making some forceful comment on the rights and wrongs of what's been said and what's happening...

Meanwhile, else-wise in Game 8, my Economic improvements for the year have duly delivered - but also resulted in a halving of the newly available recruits. I still have plenty, of course, but it the starkest indication of the link between the two that I've yet seen.


That is why I tend to not improve my EH too much. I find income is easier to obtain than needed in later years. Recruits are always needed and you can never have enough of them. If your nation is attacked. It is the size of your recruits/forces that are important, rather than money. Which in later years, barring a disaster should be plentiful. Just my view.
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Re: Game 8

Post by The Real Louis on Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:01 am

jamesbond007 wrote:
The Real Louis wrote:(One of) the curious things about the Ingrian situation is the non-active involvement of the Swedes. Is that nation npc again, does anybody know? You'd think a player would be getting stuck in, clearing their own honour and getting in a few military practices, or at least making some forceful comment on the rights and wrongs of what's been said and what's happening...

Meanwhile, else-wise in Game 8, my Economic improvements for the year have duly delivered - but also resulted in a halving of the newly available recruits. I still have plenty, of course, but it the starkest indication of the link between the two that I've yet seen.


That is why I tend to not improve my EH too much. I find income is easier to obtain than needed in later years. Recruits are always needed and you can never have enough of them. If your nation is attacked. It is the size of your recruits/forces that are important, rather than money. Which in later years, barring a disaster should be plentiful. Just my view.

Which is a very interesting one... (long pause for contemplation of the future. What actions can you take to reduce EH? Not a question I've seen asked before!)

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Re: Game 8

Post by jamesbond007 on Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:00 pm

The Real Louis.

In answer. Not so much having to do anything to prevent EH rising so high. More a question of not taking certain actions that usually greatly help raise EH. Also I would add. The more recruits you pump into the military. The less you have to pump into civil matters and the less EH rises.

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Re: Game 8

Post by Thelittleemperor on Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:10 pm

Try conscription to reduce your EH .That might work plus you get a ween of recruits
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Re: Game 8

Post by Deacon on Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:23 pm

Or buy slaves with your money.

Conscription will work by damaging your economy. If you'd rather have less money next year, that will do the trick!


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