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The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:31 pm

Ahhh, Stuart I'm glad to see you have finally come to see where true Enlightenment exists...in the Glorious realms that are the lands of the Holder of the Mandate of Heaven...why, would it not benefit all if they just acknowledged this and paid homage to him?

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:58 pm

Jason wrote:Ahhh, Stuart I'm glad to see you have finally come to see where true Enlightenment exists...in the Glorious realms that are the lands of the Holder of the Mandate of Heaven...why, would it not benefit all if they just acknowledged this and paid homage to him?

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Some day I am going to ask Richard if I can play the Dzungar or a South China Sea's Pirate Clan (Ming Loyalists) just to give the Manchu War Lords grinding China into the dirt in 1700 a few problems other than how much Tax they can steal and convert into tacky Jade Statutes.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:12 pm

I don't know...here I am, being enlightened, working hard to create a Chinese NHS, trying to make things better for the hard working people of China and Stuart just wants to rape and pillage...

Such is the lot of a Chinese Governor...
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:23 pm

Thinking about it Stuart...why not be a Chinese lord...then you could unleash all your Ottoman-ish tendencies in an invasion of Japan, the Philippines and the West coast of the Americas! The Emperor would love you!

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:55 pm

Jason wrote:Thinking about it Stuart...why not be a Chinese lord...then you could unleash all your Ottoman-ish tendencies in an invasion of Japan, the Philippines and the West coast of the Americas! The Emperor would love you!

You think the Emperor would approve of regular Horse Race Meetings and Tulip Gardens?
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:36 pm

Well Zen Gardens maybe... but am sure he'd like the horses

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:04 am

It's all getting very complicated.

1. Prussia retracts his slanderous statement about the Dowager-Queen of Spain, but his ally Saxony has now said much worse. Will the Spanish Army now evacuate Prussian territory?
2. Ultra Protestant England and Ultra Catholic Spain are now allied and at war with Prussia, Sweden and Saxony-Poland over the honour of the Dowager Queen. King William has just arrived from the Netherlands pledging to protect the true religion, what will he make of his ministers pro-Spanish policy?
3. The Emperor continues to enjoy some light Opera and his orchestra in Vienna, whilst the peace loving Venetians try to invade Austria on every front.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:29 pm

Maybe the Emperor plans to send in hordes of opera singers to sing the Venetians into surrendering?

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Post by Goldstar on Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:41 pm

Yes, a constant barrage of Germanic opera sung by an Elite Brunhilda troop of Imperial Divas, may cause john eyetie to turn tail. The Austrian watch and coastguard appear to be holding their own at the moment, however.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:09 pm

Goldstar wrote:It's all getting very complicated.

1.  Prussia retracts his slanderous statement about the Dowager-Queen of Spain, but his ally Saxony has now said much worse.  Will the Spanish Army now evacuate Prussian territory?
2.  Ultra Protestant England and Ultra Catholic Spain are now allied and at war with Prussia, Sweden and Saxony-Poland over the honour of the Dowager Queen.  King William has just arrived from the Netherlands pledging to protect the true religion, what will he make of his ministers pro-Spanish policy?
3.  The Emperor continues to enjoy some light Opera and his orchestra in Vienna, whilst the peace loving Venetians try to invade Austria on every front.

Faced with alliance of Spain, England & Venice plus with arm twisting by the Emperor over the morality of his sister in law it looks like Prussia has backed down putting the rest of the Danzig Pact and Saxony in particular into a really difficult position.

Logically Augustus the Strong and Charles Vasa will now have to follow the moral lead of their Prussian Ally and accept little Philip as the proper legitimate Hapsburg King of Spain. But with the bad & the Ugly of the Danzig Pact you never can tale........no doubt they will be feeling let down and sulking at not being able to take on the Army of Flanders and loot, plunder and burn in rich Hapsburg Dutchies.

The Holy Roman Emperor is no doubt relieved that his leading Protestant Electors will probably not be having a war with female relations but the war between the ex Catholic allies of Austria & Venice now seems to be very much on.

Claiming to be worried about the alliance between Venice & Spain the Pasha of Rumelia has asked for a non aggression pact with these two powers. Is the Pasha really worried or are the Ottomans just looking to cover their flank prior to a strike up the Danube? If the Ottomans do march how much blame will be placed on the Doge and his dodgy dealings with the Golden Horde? Can the Emperor still count on sulking Protestant Electors and the King of Poland?

On the subject of Hapsburg's who dont know who the hell the enemy is............4,500 Spanish Troops marched into Innsbruck. Are they helping their Venetian Ally (surely not against their own Royal Family!) ???????? Or are they on Holiday?

Not sure what their masters intention was (hope the Austrians fired on them perhaps?) but the troops clearly think that a Hapsburg civil war is unthinkable and they are on their holiday because they handed in their weapons to the town watch and spent month site seeing and resting in local inns etc.

Life seems a lot more complex for Hapsburgs in G9 than it does in for the happy united Francophobe Hapsburgs in G7. Personally I blame the enlightened, civilized, Wine Label loving Louis XIV in G9. Without a rabid French Warlord or a Ghazi Sultan to unite against the Hapsburg Family is falling to bits.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:23 pm

So Europe has fallen into its good old ways in G9...blood, warfare...so to add in rampaging Turks?

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by MarkTurner26 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:14 am

And mighty Egypt ready to expand into Africa, I will soon test out what it's like fighting against natives.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by The Hessian on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:22 pm

All well and done Prince of Prussia apologising but will the Spaniard, sorry poodle of Venice accept it as his boots on the ground have taken Cleve and Ravensberg beckons??? As for the Swedes/Saxons/Polish I feel from what observed of these gentlemen they will not be put off by Prussias craven action(unless its a cunning ruse to deceive Spain sorry venice before a blitzkrieg occurs??
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Post by Goldstar on Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:53 am

1.  Peace in our time in Northern Germany at least.  The Elector of Saxony also apologies about his slanderous comments about the Dowager Queen of Spain.  Her most Catholic Spanish Majesty accepts the various apologies and orders her army back to Flanders.  Where this leaves England and Sweden, is anyone's guess?
2.  The Dowager Queen also withdraws Spain from the Austro-Venetian war, probably not comfortable fighting her brother in law the Emperor.  
3.  Where does this leave Venice, the Spanish Queen urges them to make peace but what does the Cardinal-Minister think?
4.  The 4500 Civilian clad Spanish troops in Innsbruck have decided to enter Austrian service, what does this say about the motivation of Venice's Spanish troops?
5.  King William is making his presence felt in England, meanwhile his government in the UDP meets with the Austrian Ambassador in Private.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:14 pm

MarkTurner26 wrote:And mighty Egypt ready to expand into Africa, I will soon test out what it's like fighting against natives.

In G2 when the Bey of Egypt attempted to expand south he ran up against the "Lion of Judah" who came with War Elephants, War Camels, Hordes of Fanatic Spearmen and oddly a Polish Built Battlefleet.

The Bey was actually captured and held to ransom with threats that if the Ottoman's did not pay the Bey was going to be covered in honey and staked out over a killer bee colony.

Suspect the fleet of modern war ships was an oddity of G2 but Mamluke Lancers really don't like smelly Camels and try to avoid a meeting with the killer bee's and fighting in a dust storm if using muskets to keep fanatic tribal foot away as it goes " Clunk, Click.......Agggggggggh."

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:14 pm

Goldstar wrote:1.  Peace in our time in Northern Germany at least.  The Elector of Saxony also apologies about his slanderous comments about the Dowager Queen of Spain.  Her most Catholic Spanish Majesty accepts the various apologies and orders her army back to Flanders.  Where this leaves England and Sweden, is anyone's guess?
2.  The Dowager Queen also withdraws Spain from the Austro-Venetian war, probably not comfortable fighting her brother in law the Emperor.  
3.  Where does this leave Venice, the Spanish Queen urges them to make peace but what does the Cardinal-Minister think?
4.  The 4500 Civilian clad Spanish troops in Innsbruck have decided to enter Austrian service, what does this say about the motivation of Venice's Spanish troops?
5.  King William is making his presence felt in England, meanwhile his government in the UDP meets with the Austrian Ambassador in Private.

Feeling in some quarters is that with the whole Danzig Pact on the War Path the Spanish Army of Flanders is lucky to get out Germany intact......let alone with honour and apology recieved.

The Question remains did the Elector of Brandenburg say sorry and cut the diplomatic ground out from under his allies because a) He is a jolly nice chap influenced by circa 1700 legal thories on war who was shocked to find out that his allies were set on bloodshed, fire and rapine circa 1618-1648 and as such wanted no part in burning Flanders down to the bedrock or b) He was bribed by the Emperor (what price King in Prussia?) to be nice to his sister in law/Nephew.

The Emperor is also busy keeping the Danzig Pact & the Northern Protestants on side with gifts of Grain to Saxony and appointing a Hanovarian head of the Reicharmee.

Perhaps in return of the Emperor saving the Spanish Army of Flanders and Flanders itself from being savaged by savage Swedes and drunken Saxon Cossacks.......Hapsburg Spain now seems to be trying to stay out of the Austo-Venice War.

If Spain stays out (and treaty obligations may make this hard) the Doge is left to fight the Holy Roman Emperor on his own. This would seem to suit everyone with the exception of the Doge.

The Question is how will this most cunning and slippery of diplomat's deal a situation were his Navy is of limited value and his land forces are probably outnumbered and out gunned? While he rely on cunning and military skill? Or does he deal with the Ottomans?

If you are the Ottomans is this a opportunity too good to miss Very Happy ? But can you trust the slippy Doge not to sale you down the Danube Twisted Evil ? (If I was an Ottoman in this game - I am not - I think would just turn the whole issue over to the Sultan and blame him when it goes wrong).
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Basileus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:50 pm

The Ottomans have a wealth of options, but when Poland/Sweden/Prussia were at war with Spain there were even more. All the traditional Ottoman enemies were at each others throats. Perhaps the Doge's manipulations were to support the Ottomans, just joking. But the Doge seemed quiet last month unless I missed something.
And when did the Elector of Prussia become King - I missed that one as well.


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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:45 pm

A quiet turn by recent standards.
1. King Billy sacks the crypto Jacobite Churchill as war minister.
2. The dowager Queen of Spain is triumphant after Saxony retracts it slanderous statement.
3.  The Emperor visits the local Viennese branch of Starbucks, whilst offering Venice a way out of the current conflict.
4. Austrian troops March into 2 undefended Venetian cities.

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:13 pm

Goldstar wrote:A quiet turn by recent standards.
1. King Billy sacks the crypto Jacobite Churchill as war minister.
2. The dowager Queen of Spain is triumphant after Saxony retracts it slanderous statement.
3.  The Emperor visits the local Viennese branch of Starbucks, whilst offering Venice a way out of the current conflict.
4. Austrian troops March into 2 undefended Venetian cities.

Quiet...........I think the actual word is boring. When the hell does the shooting start? Twisted Evil

First we had Bourbons accept the Hapsburg "miracle" baby......and the WSS is called off.

Then the Spain sends a army to hang the elector of Brandenburg from his palace gates but with England backing Spain and with both of the Electors Danzig Pact allies in the field it all ends without a shot fired and a mumbled Prussian apology which left the Saxons & Swedes with no option but to follow the Elector of Bradenburg and another perfectly good war ends without a shot fired.

Call me an old fashioned Ottoman but this is not a triumph or a proper revenge No No No

Finally after years of simmering hostility, nasty insults inc a suggestion that the Emperor is senile, blockades of Imperial ports it all looks set for a proper war between Austria & Venice over the Duchy of Milan and without a shot fired the Austrians offer control of Milan & trade concessions to the Doge if he would be so kind as to allow Austria to use its own ports...........and a third perfectly good war probably ends without a shot fired.

G2 is also now at peace.

With the exceptions of the GNW in G7 and the North American War in G3 are people finding the new supply rules etc too difficult? Or are campaigns now viewed as a minor and not very important part of the diplomatic process? With the spending money on gun powder to be a sign of failure?

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by count-de-monet on Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:55 pm

my experience of the new campaign rules are they are brutal....this could of course be my useless leadership and strategy.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:28 pm

Ok, so we now all wait for Stuart to go on an invasion spree across the whole of Glory...

Though in G8 there are a couple of conflicts on the go...Portugal-Spain is busy blockading the Barbary pirates and the Great Moghul is attacking the Jat

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:50 pm

Jason wrote:Ok, so we now all wait for Stuart to go on an invasion spree across the whole of Glory...

Though in G8 there are a couple of conflicts on the go...Portugal-Spain is busy blockading the Barbary pirates and the Great Moghul is attacking the Jat


Have waged only one proper campaign under the new rules and they seemed to work Ok..........with no more than a third of my Dragoons employed as supply convoy escorts and regular rest breaks for some formations every month was able to keep Sickness Levels from 1-3 and keep momentum at a reasonable level.

Think it helped that my silo's were full and not that far from the troops and I generally fought in Ok conditions rather than Russia in the middle of Winter for example.

I actually quite like the new rules since under the old rules siege's and esp blockades seemed too easy/low cost.

The only thing I dont like is that you can live off the land in the Black Forest & Southern Italy but it seems this is not possible in Normandy, the Loire Valley & NE Spain in the Valley of the Ebro.  When my light cavalry were plundering in some area's I blamed the SL gain on too much Brandy & Truffles (well they were the hired help....probably not used to the rich food).

As well as putting emphasis on sorting out you own supply/logistics I also think the new rules means that the art of in-game generalship is now not fancy plans, drills, equipment but timing since you can have the best trained, best equiped troops troops with the most fancy uniforms in the game but if they have spent three months undertaking a siege and have SL 4/5 they are asking for trouble if a fresh relief force hits them.

Which means these fancy modern "Armies of Observation" and Colums of Reinforcement now have a role to play.  

But for buggering up you opponents sickness levels and supply lines I still feel that the old Ottoman LC order of "Scored Earth Tactics - burn, loot, plunder" has a part to play.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:10 pm

An interesting month.

1. The Stadtholder of the UDP, who happens to be King of England, Scotland and Ireland, demands to see the disposition of the Royal Navy.
2. Sweden accepts it is now at peace with Spain, while accepting France's right to Newfoundland.
3. Bavaria draws closer to France, but accepts the right of Imperial Diet endorsed Reicharmees to operate in its territory. Playing both end perhaps.
4. The Emperor declares the current regime in Venice.illegal, but the dodgy Doge now accepts the Emperors admittedly liberal peace terms. Will His Sacred Majesty accept or demand more due to the Venetians habit of running at the sight of his Whitecoats.
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Post by Basileus on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:34 am

The Venetian borders seem to be collapsing. I expected more of a fight from the Venetian player, but possibly the Spanish desire for peace has changed the strategic position for Venice. A Venetian/Spanish military alliance could counter balance Austria in Italy, but I cant see Venice doing it by himself, which is I suppose why he has accepted the peace terms.

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:15 pm


I am sad Crying or Very sad to see that "G8 the age of enlightenment" seems to be turning into G8 the game of diplomatic poker! And every time some one's bluff gets called they fold.

What has happened to the concept of fighting to keep your honour even if the odds do not look good?

And why do people declare war and offer really, really soft peace terms at the same time? The terms which Austria offered in G8 were so soft as to almost represent a Venetian Victory without a shot fired. In that Venice keeps Milan (but as the acting Viceroy for a baby Hapsburg) and limits the Austrian Navy in the Adriatic to a minor role.

My view is that all this diplomatic peace keeping is more 21 century than 18 century and to stay in period more issues need to be decided on the battle field. I am not saying people should fight to the end every time but that it would have been more in period if say Prussia & Spain had fought a battle. Then Prussia could then have said "sorry" with its honour intact from the viewpoint of the period.

Have to admitt that I have in game attempted to agree terms which will apply depending on a Win, Defeat or Draw but at least the attempt was made to keep the look of the 18 century.

Purely from the viewpoint of an outsider looking in I would like to congradulate the Jacobite and Williamite players in G7.....non of these dodgy diplomatic fudges in place of principal! That will only happen if both sides run out of cash.......very in period.

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