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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:56 pm

Goldstar wrote:November 1704.

9.  The ever humble Lord Fong has received an answer for his request for more recruits from his overlord the Chinese Emperor.  The Emperor has rejected Fong's initial proposal, but will reconsider it if Fong is willing to undertake the defence of the entire Chinese coast.  Should Fong fail in this duty, he may find his head in a basket.


Is this why Austria wants to build a Reich Fleet?

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:59 pm

Stuart Bailey wrote:
Goldstar wrote:November 1704.

9.  The ever humble Lord Fong has received an answer for his request for more recruits from his overlord the Chinese Emperor.  The Emperor has rejected Fong's initial proposal, but will reconsider it if Fong is willing to undertake the defence of the entire Chinese coast.  Should Fong fail in this duty, he may find his head in a basket.


Is this why Austria wants to build a Reich Fleet?

Donations to the "Royal & Imperial Wako Appreciation Society" to be sent Leopold von Hapsburg c/o of the Hofburg Palace Vienna.

Oooohhhhh, ANOTHER German yacht club...am sure it will end up the same place as all the others...

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:37 pm

[quote="Jason"][quote="Stuart Bailey"]
Goldstar wrote:November 1704.

Oooohhhhh, ANOTHER German yacht club...am sure it will end up the same place as all the others...


Well I know they all normally end up "looking nice" tied up in Hamburg Harbour and under strict orders to only leave harbour for day trips out to Helogland provided its not blowing more than a force three and every crew member has a rubber ring and armbands.

But this one may be different....... perhaps tied up in Trieste and day trips round the Adriatic!
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:18 pm

Anybody else read this?

I got it for nothing through Kindle a year or two back and found it an enjoyable read. The Austro-Hungarian naval command read as being absolutely incompetent, the logistics worse, if the enemy didn't kill you then bureaucratic cock-ups would probably see you done for! The German Navy just shook their heads at their cousin's attempts. And, best not to imagine what the 'atmosphere' is like in a submerged submarine when all the crew have been eating out-of-date tins of sauerkraut that has given them all bad cases of indigestion.



I think the Wako position could be fun. A small fief far from Edo and part of an 'outside lords' princedom. You'd get to play as a Japanese without all the baggage of controlling the country and the bakufu.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Jason on Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:34 pm

Looks an interesting book.

I once read that the problem the A-H navy had was language-the Germans and Czechs generally were in signals and the engine room, Hungarians were the gunners, while Croatsand Italians were seamen or stokers. No one could talk to each other!


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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:27 pm

Jason wrote:Looks an interesting book.

I once read that the problem the A-H navy had was language-the Germans and Czechs generally were in signals and the engine room, Hungarians were the  gunners, while Croatsand Italians were seamen or stokers. No one could talk to each other!


To be fair to the Austo-Hungarian Navy it did defeat the Italians in 1866. All the more impressive since their new guns were held up in Germany by the War and they had to use the ram.

While in WW1 they were hugely outnumbered by the French Fleet, Italian Fleet and British Units in the Med. To break out of the Adriatic and then get back to home ports means getting through straits which are only 45 miles wide. If the Austrian Battlefleet had attempted this they would have almost certainly have been brought to Battle and blown to bits.

Rather by remaining in being and by raids on the Italian Coast, raids on the Oranto barriage and by sending out U Boats to run the barriage the Austro-Hungarian Navy did the job of an inferior force which by keeping in Action pinned down vastly superior Allied forces for the duration of the War

In terms of pinning down allied resources and lasting the whole war probably the only force which managed to do better than the Austro-Hungarian Navy was the German Forces in East Africa.
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Post by Kingmaker on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:25 pm

Rozwi_Game10 wrote:Anybody else read this?

I got it for nothing through Kindle a year or two back and found it an enjoyable read. The Austro-Hungarian naval command read as being absolutely incompetent, the logistics worse, if the enemy didn't kill you then bureaucratic cock-ups would probably see you done for! The German Navy just shook their heads at their cousin's attempts. And, best not to imagine what the 'atmosphere' is like in a submerged submarine when all the crew have been eating out-of-date tins of sauerkraut that has given them all bad cases of indigestion.



I think the Wako position could be fun. A small fief far from Edo and part of an 'outside lords' princedom. You'd get to play as a Japanese without all the baggage of controlling the country and the bakufu.

Think this is what Austria would really like



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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by J Flower on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:43 pm

Ah, I know that picture, "Das Boot" Trans. "The Boat "is a good film to see what fun it was to be part of the Kriegsmarine in WWII. I think it has been either subtitled of synchronised into English as well.

The Original Prussian yacht club in G2 actually managed to sink the Swedish fleet, which everyone seems to forget these days, admittedly it was by sending a Regiment of Grenadiers in the fleets jolly boats to storm the enemy fleet whilst it lay at anchor, but I am not prepared to let this minor detail distract from a Major Prussian Naval victory, over the numerically inferior, badly crewed, drunken, some on shore leave Swedish fleet......

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Nexus06 on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:45 pm

Stuart Bailey wrote:
Jason wrote:Looks an interesting book.

I once read that the problem the A-H navy had was language-the Germans and Czechs generally were in signals and the engine room, Hungarians were the  gunners, while Croatsand Italians were seamen or stokers. No one could talk to each other!


To be fair to the Austo-Hungarian Navy it did defeat the Italians in 1866.  All the more impressive since their new guns were held up in Germany by the War and they had to use the ram.

While in WW1 they were hugely outnumbered by the French Fleet, Italian Fleet and British Units in the Med.  To break out of the Adriatic and then get back to home ports means getting through straits which are only 45 miles wide.  If the Austrian Battlefleet had attempted this they would have almost certainly have been brought to Battle and blown to bits.

Rather by remaining in being and by raids on the Italian Coast, raids on the Oranto barriage and by sending out U Boats to run the barriage the Austro-Hungarian Navy did the job of an inferior force which by keeping in Action pinned down vastly superior Allied forces for the duration of the War

In terms of pinning down allied resources and lasting the whole war probably the only force which managed to do better than the Austro-Hungarian Navy was the German Forces in East Africa.

Well, there would be a lot to sy about that.

The italian fleet of 1866 was an assembly of old pre-unitaria ships, whit only one ship properly armed (l’Affondatore). The Austro Hungarian navy vas costituited by crews of Venetian tradition. Despite this, the KK Marine never was a superior navy, not even in the mediterranean Scenario.

Concerning WW1, i disagree with your poin of view. The KK marine simply remained in harbours, never trying to act as the italian navy choose a strategy of economic fast ships which was very cost-effective. Naval operation were useles in the italian front, wich was mostly locked into the souther Tirol circle of fortress and the Goritian Door. They both were huge gateway for wien, as Napoleon did now, and no help could be provided battling by the sea.

Resources weren’t therefore exploited by KK Marine, but in truth were wasted by the massively incompetent italian command, wich tactical approach was completely wrong. When the command was changed, the southern front was gained.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:16 pm


Ref the Austro-Hungarian Navy in WW1 in 1914 they had nine pre-dreadnought and three dreadnoughts Battleships (with a fourth dreadnought completed in 1915........17 months after its last sister ship due to having to be built in the Kingdom of Hungary for Political reasons & they had to enlarge the shipyard first). Half of which needed to have reserve sailors called up and be taken out of mothballed status.

In contrast the French Fleet had 19 Battleships with a equal advantage in Cruisers and other smaller ships. To make this numbers disadvantage even worse the French Fleet were given use of British bases in the Med and operational control of Royal Navy Ships in the Med in 1914 when covering the North African Troop Convoys. Plus some Austrian "Battleships" like the Monarch Class were actually designed as Coastal Defence ships (The Navy being intended to defend the coastline of the Empire rather than take on French Battlefleets and Troop Convoys from North Africa) and were only half the size of a French Battleships.

At only 5785 tons a Top speed of 17.5 knots and with only x4 9 inch main guns the Monarch's were Ok for Coastal Bombardment but as part of a fleet action against the French troop convoys leading to a clash with the French Fleet & allies they would have been a liability.

After 1915 with the entry of the Italian Navy into the War with its six dreadnoughts the KuK is even more outnumbered and outgunned as well as short of steam coal so its hardly a surprize that they never went looking for a Major Fleet Action and instead went in for mines, submarines, and hit and run raids like the bombardment of the Italian Base at Ancona, plus bombardments in support of land troops. Fear of mines widly laid by French and Austrians and torpedoe attack in the confined waters of the Adriatic also kept the largest Italian capital ships in harbour while their light units did the fighting.

If people want to use Richards Naval rules to fight a attack by Kuk capital ships on the alies in the Med and do not want it very one sided you may have to assume the Italians stay in the triple alliance and field a Italian-Austrian force V a French convoy or a French Fleet weakened by having to provide convoy escorts. Other than that its light actions only!

Aside from showing a degree of sence in not doing the Naval equal to a Cavalry Charge on machine guns the KuK did have its good points:

1) They had one of the first Naval Air Arms and were the first to sink a submarine by Air attack.....shades of Scabble.

2) After the mass laying of mines in the Adriatic limited Capital Ships both the Italians and Austrians were very inventive in trying to blow each others ships up in harbour using Motor Torpedo boats, frogmen with limpet mines and other types of sabotage.......more shades of Scabble

3) After the Italian declaration of war they Austrians bombarded Ancona and other positions on the same day!

4) When the SMS Szent István, was hit by a torpedo from the Italian motor torpedo boat Luigi Rizzo. The Austrians not only filmed the sinking but only suffered very limited crew losses (89) partly because all sailors in the Kuk had be tought how swim! Not shades of the Russian Navy in Glori !

5) The Kuk only had 33,000 sailors and with the Army taking all the reserves they actually laid up some capital ships and retrained crew in submarines and aircraft. Which certainly shows a degree of flexibility not also shown in the Austrian Army of WW1

6) Finally you have to love a Navy which includes a Commander Von Trapp of U14 and Sound of Music fame.........U boats of the Kuk sunk
117 allied ships during the War and damaged many others.

If people do not want to use Austrians under Richards Naval rules surely someone wants to pick up the Admiral Von Trapp and the greatly feared (by their allies) Austrian Naval Air Service in Scabbke????????
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Deacon on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:20 pm


One of the things I love about the players in this game, is that they know stuff like this. Razz

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