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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:44 am

My usual round up will follow.
August 1705 Madrid.
The French Ambassador states that under semi Salic law, Dauphin Louis of France is the true heir of Carlos II and the entire Spanish Empire. Infanta Christina is to be placed aside and the Cortez is encouraged to support the French. Why King Louis XIV has suddenly decided to press this claim might have something to do with the terms of his newly signed peace with England. We await European reaction with baited breath.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Deacon on Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:50 pm


Interesting play, but Queen Isabella would beg to differ on that.
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Post by Kerensky on Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:14 pm

A risky strategy, based on my G10 experience. French player went for broke, which had short term gains followed with a total collapse in honour score (volcano eruption implies 1 or 0). Major overreach seems to play against the big player positions (I’m guessing RW would not want a single player knocking out several players from a game, as bad commercially).

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:14 am

Kerensky wrote:A risky strategy, based on my G10 experience. French player went for broke,  which had short term gains followed with a total collapse in honour score (volcano eruption implies 1 or 0). Major overreach seems to play against the big player positions (I’m guessing RW would not want a single player knocking out several players from a game, as bad commercially).

I thought that a low honour score was normally indicated by revolts, riots in the Streets, Parliaments always voting against your proposals, ships sailing off to turn pirate and the Janissary Corp turning its cooking pots up side down! Mind you I have had upside down cooking pots when my honour was close to twenty. While volcano's and other natural disasters indicate problems with economic health?

This would certainly seem to be the case in G10 were in the last couple of turns we have had a Vulcano on "Spanish" territory and thousands of Spanish have left for Portugal to get away from dire economic conditions at home. Guess having famines and a government which does nothing about famines, English attacks on Gib and can not even pick a legitimate Catholic heir and crown him tends to dent economic confidence!

Commercial problem for one RW with G10 is that normally Spain is a bit of a money spinner for the GM (He has certainly taken lots of mine in G7) but in G10 its in such a mess......general view is that both its Economic Health and its Honour is rock bottom plus its got the odd small diplomatic problem to sort out....... that no one wants to go near the position.

Mind you I still think if someone was brave enough to pick up Spain in G10 most other players would be fairly kind and Spain can recover.

Ref Spain in G8 - If its been accepted for a number of years that the "miracle baby" is the legitimate daughter of Carlos II the French claim would seem to be rubbish....Anyone recall Queen Isabella of Castille? Except in Flanders were a case can be made that a limited form of Salic Law applies.

Actually was not the point of the Spanish Govt at the time committing high treason and trying to exchange the real baby for a boy to stop Philip of Anjou inheriting Flanders while his young female relation got the rest (Bit like Queen Victoria getting the British Empire but not the Hanover in 1830 due to the law of Hanover being anti female.......mind wonders about German Unification if Victoria had inherited).
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Post by Kerensky on Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:11 pm

I hear you Stuart, not my typical expectation, more a deduction on my part. Sicily has been on my sheet for around 9 months, and is included in my EH & Honour, which are both not in the danger zone. I deduced the flag raising in Palermo was the external factor that triggered the eruption. Never really seen true random, always seems to be a driver. Could be wrong, but the best I can see in the tea leaves!
& on G9, with you & Deacon. Isabella, the Queen of Castile that completed the Reconquista & commenced the discovery & colonisation of Spanish America. A fairly decent example of a Spanish Queen.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Deacon on Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:17 pm

I thought you could have made a case at the time that the baby wasn't real and protest her, claiming carlos was incapable of fathering a child. But I think enough time has passed that this is hard argument to make now.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:30 pm

August 1705

1. England and France have agreed peace terms and the Anglo-French war is over. No great battles occurred, some skirmishing in the colonies and heavy losses to the English Merchant Marine, a white peace seems to have been the result. Somewhat confusingly Scotland is still at war with France and England is still at war with Spain and Bavaria.
2. The Spanish diplomatic corps continues to be active in the states of the Reich, but the Archbishop of Cologne demands an apology for past wrongs.
3. The Reicharmee reform committee agrees to put the Emperors proposals before the Imperial Diet. The Emperor wants the army doubled to 80,000 men and 40 ship Reichsnavee formed, Leopold has selflessly agreed to fund this purely defensive forced.
4. Prince Eugene army has arrived at Ulm and a force of Brunswickers in Austrian pay has joined the Reicharmee detachment in Munster after becoming lost.
5. The King of Sweden remains in Rostock, which appears to becoming a home from home for the Swedes. King Charles XII implies that Tsar Peter Talks the Talk, but has falled to Walk the Walk.
6. The Cossack rebels or true Russian patriots revolt has spread to Kharkov.
7. The young Infanta and her Cardinal-General have arrive in Seville, it appears every church in Spain has been renovated by the most Pious Government. The old rogue Cardinal Portocarrero has been pardoned and encouraged to return to Spain. Hopefully the Infanta’s government will not regret inviting the arch-plotter back home, especially after the French Ambassadors statement.
8. Spain apparently holds a large number of Venetian bounds and they want their dividends paid promptly.
9. A Spanish mission arrives in China seeking an audience with Mighty Lord Fong, only to find he is indisposed in Peking with his Liege Lord the Manchu Emperor.
10. King Louis XIV lauds his loyal ally Bavaria or alternatively butters up his German puppet Elector. Always nice to have an Elector in your pocket in case thing go pair shaped with the Reich.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Nexus06 on Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:57 pm

"purely defensive" 😂😂🤣

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:25 pm

September 1705

1. In a most passionate speech to the heads of the Spanish Government, the Cardinal-General appears to be calling for a new crusade by Christian Europe against the Turk. The Cardinal-General envisions a joint Crusade with the Emperor to liberate Constantinople and Jerusalem itself.
2. The English and French are now at peace, the Scots are less pleased with being left high and dry, and now wish to withdraw their declaration of war against France. The declaration by the English government that it considers Scotland part of it territory is unlikely to improve relations.
3. King Charles of Sweden declares that Russian ships are band from the Baltic Sea, close to 70,000 Swedish troops are massed on the Livonia’s border.
4. The Tsars troubles continue, a rebel Cossack horde has burned the shipyard in Voronezh, the Tsar’s personal yacht only narrowly escaped destruction. Old believers are also trying to cause trouble in Pskov.
5. The Spanish Government rejects the French claim to the throne, the Infanta is the true heir to the Spanish inheritance. Totally unconnected the Spanish have suddenly become very friendly towards the infanta’s Kindly uncle Leopold. Declaring a policy of alliance with the HRE and asking Archduke Karl to visit his young cousin.
6. The Emperor remains silent on the Spanish issue, but launches yet another unity and recruiting drive amongst the states of the Reich.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:07 pm

Love the account of G9 with Cuddly Uncle Leo and the brave and heroic trying Cardinal-General trying to save the inheritence of the little Infanta from dastardly French Lawyers claiming Salic Law in Flanders and the like.

Also like the fact that the Swedes and Cossacks are acting tough, mean and not rolling over to have their tummy tickled by the Czar.

But what I want to know if were at the Ottomans?
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Post by Kerensky on Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:33 pm

It is giving me a great outlet for my religious oratory. It feels more appropriate, as a Cardinal, to let fly with biblical quotations. & to defend a five year old girl, what greater cause...
We need an Ottoman ruler for G9 Stuart, can I tempt you in to battle the Cardinal & the Emperor? It would liven it up tremendously!

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Goldstar on Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:12 pm

OCT 1705 Kultur und kampf.

1.  The Anglo-Spanish conflict continues with a Naval engagement outside Cadiz. The larger English Fleet had the better of it against light Spain forces, but there appears to be as serious problem with the English Navy's cannon.

2.  Clearly trying to straggle the Russian threat at birth, 57 Swedish Line ships have appeared before Copenhagen. The Swedish Admiral has demanded that the Russian Red Fleet in the port scuttle or prepare to be destroyed.  The Russian Admiral has refused and has asked the Danes for protection.

3.  Cardinal Portocarrero is leaving his English exile to return to Spain.  After being granted a pardon by the current Spanish Government he is returning to Madrid to resume his position as Primate of Spain.

4.  The Dutch government has opened a new Art Gallery to display the most important works of the Dutch Master, only to find that King William, the Stadtholder has already taken one of the greatest works to London.

5.  The Emperor's attempt to squeeze more troops out of the states of the Reich has meet with mixed result, the Ruler of Baden-Durlach is especially bitter about the Emperor's past interventions.

6.  The French ambassador to the Reich Diet, has stated that he supports the proposed increases to the Riecharmee, but if any Reich troops enter Flanders, it will be seen as an act of war?

7.  The Duke of Wurtemburg is less than pleased by Prince Eugene visiting his capital at the head of a large Army.  Prince Eugene presents the Duke with a set of Siverware and entertains the local nobility.

8.  The Emperor once more re-enforces Vienna's position as the Kultural capital of the Reich and perhaps western Europe.  New works have been sponsored for the Imperial Orchestra and Vivaldi.  The Maestro George Handel has arrived in Vienna to perform with the Imperial Orchestra and a new Opera has been commissioned from the Scatlitti's.  A new Theatre is also being opened.

9.  The Cardinal-General has undertaken to provide the young Infanta with a wide education to prepare her to lead the Spanish Empire to glory.


10.  Due to the high costs of the new crusade, the Spanish Treasury has announced new tax rises for the nobility, the Portuguese government accuses Spanish shipping of falsely flying under their colours.


11.  The Tsar wishes to meet with Orthodox Priest leading the Old Believer sect, only to find he has left Pskov.  The Tsar has noticeably started to grow a beard, has he renounced the western heresy and is now returning to the true traditions of Holy Muscovy.

12.  The Serf revolt spreads north of Moscow and Voronezh is now under the control of the Don Cossack rebels.  Are these local revolts or have they been instigated by the increasingly aggressive Lion of the North.


13.  Ever the friend of the poor the Moghul state has cut the tax on the common people.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Kerensky on Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:49 pm

The engagement at Cadiz reminded me of Beatty’s comments @ the Battle of Jutland.
After the suspected destruction, by magazine the explosion, of a third British Battlecruiser,
‘There is something wrong with our bloody ships today!’

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Stuart Bailey on Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:30 am

Kerensky wrote:The engagement at Cadiz reminded me of Beatty’s comments @ the Battle of Jutland.
After the suspected destruction, by magazine the explosion, of a third  British Battlecruiser,
‘There is something wrong with our bloody ships today!’

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Apparently Spanish recovery & morale following this engagement was also greatly helped by their new mobile hospital unit.....see picture above of Spanish Surgeon-General Kerensky and Officers.
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Post by Kerensky on Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:28 am

HaHa! Sadly over a decade ago. Certainly improved Surgeon-General Kerensky’s morale no end.
Nurse on the left is now my wife & Nurse on the right is my oldest friend in Singapore, and Godmother of my first Son. It was her bar, The Hideout on Circular Road, if memory serves correct.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by count-de-monet on Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:02 pm

I sometimes think I try to play too nice in the LGDR world, but with the next turn coming up and previous messages in this flow could I aim this at Deacon and Kerensky.....


having finally had a chance to do some minimal research do you refer to Queen Isabella I of Castille (who ascended the throne in 1474) ?

As far as I can see, she was the daughter of John II of Castile, and ascended the throne because her step brother Henry IV had died (in 1474) and her brother Alfonso had already died in 1468. So there was no male heir from John II's line.

France isn't disputing that a female can ascend the throne, but only in the absence of a male heir - under Spanish Law....which there is !


Finally, the political unification of Spain appears to have happened under Isabellas grandson, so she did not ascend the SPANISH throne as such.


My limited research could be missing a lot of other detail!


Reasons for France accepting the infanta since 1701 can not be discussed on the messageboard and were subject to private correspondence and agreements between Madrid and Versailles
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Kerensky on Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:10 pm

Surgeon-General Kerensky wishes Count de Monet a Happy Thursday.

If you will forgive me, reading the tenor of your communique, I will save my research responses for in-game counter moves.

I am now off for cupcakes with the Infanta!

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by count-de-monet on Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:19 pm

not planning on using any of the info in my last message to reinforce the Bourbon claim - I don't think Isabella has been raised in-game ? I just wanted to understand if my game position had missed anything historically that put the claim of the Infanta legally ahead of the Bourbon male heir. Previous posts on Isabella suggested there was a historical precedent of a female heir over-riding a male heir.
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment. Game 9.

Post by Kerensky on Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:39 pm

Surgeon-General Kerensky has been advised by Nursey not to help someone try to purloin the Infanta's throne.


And as life has taught me, Nursey is often right...

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