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Post by Stuart Bailey on Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:31 pm

Thelittleemperor wrote:Thanks Stuart for all that time taken and info given .

Hi,

If you are playing a Ottoman position you may wish to look at the Agema book on the Ottoman Army (more Napoleonic but still handy) the Osprey book on the Ottoman (nice pictures) and I also liked Halil Inalcik books on the Ottoman Empire like ISBN 1-85799-120-6 etc. This one on the classical Empire to 1600 but still very interesting for titles and background and for a player who wants to "reform" the Empire by looking backwards to a more progressive period.

I am informed by Ottoman players and opponents in games since G2 folded that that Ottoman Army now seems more like the mixed but tough provincial forces of Rumelia in G2 and which historically defeated Napoleon at the siege of Acre and less like a pale copy of Western Armies ie Its now got more "tribal" foot and Light Infantry as well as Janissary Regular's. Who all still get smashed in the open but are sods in street fighting.

Not so welcome is the spread of feuds, bandits and dislikes from G2 to other games......sorry about that Very Happy
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Post by Jason on Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:51 pm

Just to let people know, as some might have picked up on there has been a slight change in the Russian leadership. Jason has stood down and I'm now Chancellor...so one Jason replaced by another...

You'll not notice much difference, policies and attitudes will remain the same...except the new leadership might be a bit more "I'm not putting up with the nonsense" Wink

I have been hanging around in the background of G7 for a bit, as Governor of the Russian Far East...so I know exactly what's been going on...you naughty people Shocked Shocked
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Post by Kingmaker on Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:35 am

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:00 am


"It was the best of times, It was the worst of times - a Tale of Two Battles"

Sept 1711 issue of the Gloire du Roi is now out and for non G7 players the issue was actually dominated by four battles not two but as various people have pointed out.......never let it be said that S A Bailey allowed the truth to get in the way of a good headline.

1) At Orleans General Graf von Mercy & the Reichsarmee after months of mucking around finally tried to withdraw from the Siege of Orleans only to find no less than four French Armies are blocking exit routes one of which : the Duke of Anjou's Cavalry Army of 150 Squardrons has just routed Von Mercy's outnumbered horse and stopped the Austrian withdraw dead in its tracks.

- Important notes from this battle would seem to be a) Do not give your foe months and months to manover & think up something nasty......as they probably will b) If your Cavalry are known to be outnumbered or outclassed & esp if your opponent is all Cavalry mix up your formations. In this period Churchill often used to use alterative lines of Cavalry and foot rather than a basic foot flanked by Cavalry. While Austrians V Ottomans used alternative foot & Cavalry both using firepower. With Cavalry counter attacking when the initial fury of the Ottoman Attack was spent.

- Things are now looking very very grim for the Reichsarmee.

2) The English Jacobite Army marched away from Glasgow with foes in close pursuit.

- The Northern Column made it to Dumbarton Castle hounded every step of the way by Scots Dragoons and is now blockaded in the Castle.

- The main force headed south for Ayr & the Coast looking to link up with other English Land & Naval forces (more on them later). Sadly for them no reinforcements have landed, a Spanish Garrison still holds Ayr and Veldmaarschalk Hendrik van Nassau-Ouwerkerk field commander for a large allied force now has the English trapped against the sea.

- To add to the Jacobites problems the Dutch General seems to have listened to his Scots & English Cavalry Commanders about the evils of Jacobite Rockets alarming their horses and asked that nice Count of Gerona to do something about those nasty wizz bang things. The Jacobite Artillery was then brutally silenced by Spanish Artillery which outnumbered and outranged the Jacobite Artillery.

- Things are now looking very, very grim for the English Jacobite Army.

3) Having done his bit to save Scotland, saved his Ayr Garrison and with Ten Dunkirker Frigates in Ayr Harbour busy doing a charter deal with the Captains of 19 English & French Merchant (Take me away from all this...........and we will give you lots of gold and your ship back plus a duty free cargo) is the route now clear for the Duc of Gerona & the Duc of Santa Cruz to get back to the proper war fighting the French?!..............In a word "NO".........since Admiral Benbow & the English Red Squadron plus prizes some how made it down a 16 mile narrow river before the Spanish could block it and sailed all the way from Southern Spain to Ayr were they reduced 19 English & French Merchantmen to splinters and captured 10 Flanders Frigates & 6 Dutch Merchantmen in a very, very wrecked state.

My God the English Navy gets mean when someone replaces their Rum Ration with Vintage Spanish Wine! Will be interesting to see what happens when their Rum gets replaced with Wiskey now they are in Scots waters.

4) Meanwhile the probable target of the Red Squadron the Dutch Ships of Admiral van Brakel had sailed after the English Convoy it had spotted off Ayr. Not waiting around to be attacked by Dutch Lineships the Duke of Norfolk ordered his escorts to engage & delay the Dutch while his troops ships landed their cargo in Scotland.

- The 8 English Frigates were not overjoyed at being ordered to sacrifice themselves to save some merchant ships & a few foot sloggers, but they did their best in a one sided fight and stopped the Dutch Lineships getting at the troop ships. Sadly for them the 22 Dutch Cruisers ignored the line of Battle Fight and went after the fleeing troop ships scattering them and hunting them up and down the Firth of Clyde.

- It is believed that the Duke of Norfolk Prime Minister of England & the Man held responsible by many for the Jacobite Restoration, plus all
of the Transports & a unknown number of reinforcements have been taken Captive. This may lead to a bit of a row between the English Army & the Navy since while the Navy has been enjoying itself Wine Tasteing in the Med the English Army may has suffered a defeat equal to Bannockburn in trying to take over Scotland and risks being driven into the sea unless Admiral "Rum Snatcher" Benbow can left from off the beaches.
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Post by Jason on Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:25 pm

Ok,have told everyone who needs to know privately but after playing 2 turns of the main Russia (after a couple of years of governor of the Russian Far East) decided not carrying on in the position.

It is a massive position, beyond my time and (frankly) finances to play properly. Perhaps if I still hadn't been caught up in the British War then it might have been viable but that consumes the whole turn and a lot of cash, the attitude coming across in some correspondence wasn't not what I am use to in these games...and wasn't fun in the slightest. Have signed truces to at least give a chance of peace in the turn I just sent back (in an attempt to make the position more attractive to a new player) so fingers cross something good might happen.

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:10 pm

Jason wrote:Ok,have told everyone who needs to know privately but after playing 2 turns of the main Russia (after a couple of years of governor of the Russian Far East) decided not carrying on in the position.  

It is a massive position, beyond my time and (frankly) finances to play properly.  Perhaps if I still hadn't been caught up in the British War then it might have been viable but that consumes the whole turn and a lot of cash, the attitude coming across in some correspondence wasn't not what I am use to in these games...and wasn't fun in the slightest.  Have signed truces to at least give a chance of peace in the turn I just sent back (in an attempt to make the position more attractive to a new player) so fingers cross something good might happen.


Sorry to hear that you have decided to drop Russia in G7.

At the rate the Czar is sacking ministers the choice for next Russian Foreign Minister is going to be between an infamous Prussian Swordsman & monkey lover and the Cleaner.

If anyone wants to take over Russia the good news is that its a huge & wealthy position and peace treaties have been signed with the UDP, Sweden & the Habsburgs so you are not jumping into a War. The not such good news is that your Fleet(s) sunk, half of your Army got the plague in Scotland and New York and the "peace conference" style treaty agreed with the Swedes sets a new gold standard for messy.

Though I am given to understand that the Swedish Army & Navy really like the new St Petersburg bases Russia spent half the GDP of a small nation on building for them Very Happy
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Post by Kingmaker on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:38 pm

Turn is out men, lets see what mess there is now......


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Post by Kingmaker on Fri May 19, 2017 4:57 pm

any one seen the turn yet?


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Post by Jason on Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:57 am

Been a long time since anyone has mentioned G7. How is it going? Still insane as ever?

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:47 pm

Jason wrote:Been a long time since anyone has mentioned G7.  How is it going?  Still insane as ever?

I refer to my earlier comments in relation to G8 but actually G7 looks like it may be going into a period of peace and harmony:

1) Following earlier peace treaties signed between Russia & Sweden, the Russia & the UDP & Russia & Spain this seems to have triggered a outbreak of Diplomacy which has now resulted in:

- Spain, France and the Jacobites signing the "Treaty of Scotland" (English Jacobite version of treaty sent by France)

- While Austria, UDP & Persia have signed the "Treaty of Paris" 2nd version.

Which is like the other treaty in a lot of ways but has enough differences (Scotland is it a free Republic? Or one of James III Kingdoms? being major one) to keep the Lawyers in fee's for years.

2) Its hard to say if these treaties mean peace or are a three year cease fire like the last time France made peace with its foes. Louis XIV says he does not want a vendetta but after 70 years of French aggression and getting a French declaration of war the second the treaty of Yorktown expired people may question this statement. Esp since Louis latest Art Work shows him as the Roman War God Mars throwing down Thunderbolts on the Austrians from his flying chariot.

3) Another move by Louis which may cause people to question the Sun Kings intentions - After starting a war to enforce Papal Authority Louis and his Gallican Church Poddles have now turned round and started a major row with Rome over the excommunication of the Duc d'Estress for shooting at the Jesuit Flag & defying Papal policy to get the Hapsburg's out of the British Isles.

Louis and his Church Lawyers would now seem to put the authority of the Pope at zero. Or are they saying Papal Authority only applies to others and not to the Franch Church?

4) In what is likely to be the final actions of the War

- A Jacobites force of 35 Foot Battalions, 18 Cavalry Squadrons & 17 Artillery Batteries plus support formations assaulted Glasgow, trying a diversionary artillery/rocket bombardment from West while the Foot went in from the North. Attacks hit "dug-in" mostly Dutch Artillery and mostly Spanish Infantry fighting from trenches & loopholed buildings and got shot flat. Lord Fairfax called off attack early rather than order further formations to advance over ground covered by the remains of the Queens & the Lord Admirals Regiments. Another bad day for the rockets since this time they set up out of range of their Dutch Targets.

- Another Jacobite force using over 100 rowing boats attempted to attack Glasgow after rowing from Dumbarton under cover of Darkness. Unfortunately they were seen and came under fire from cannon in stockades and Bomb Ketches. Faced with rain, snow and having to row into heavy fire before trying to land on Clydeside against God knows what opposition the combined Army/Navy force said sod that and rowed back to the Pub in Dumbarton before they had to swim back.

- French Cavalry take unguarded Acapulco after locals use them for target Practice.

- Persian fleet of inc 37 Line Ships Bombard Pondicherry and silence the fortress Guns and sink 9 Frenchmen ships at Anchor while Persian flag ship the "Fatah" leading attack suffers very heavy damage. Leading Naval attacks on Fortresses would seem to have been a very dangerous operation in this war & Mirak Ghivas can consider himself lucky. Persians have now moved troops up to Pondicherry and would seem to be getting ready for a siege.

- - Everyone else at Calais, Manchester, Santa Marta, Orleans etc seem to be heading for Winter Quarters.

5) Louis XIV has offered the Persians a peace treaty on much the same terms as Spain - Does he hope to save Pondicherry or does he have visions of sending Army to fight Persia only for Spain, Austria & UDP to do to him in three years time in mid campaign - what he did to them?

6) In Vienna, Count Monterrey has confirmed that Spain will sign a Hapsburg-Ottoman non aggresion treaty. But wants Ottomans to also promise that they will not attack Portugal, Poland, & Italy.

Keen students of Ottoman Diplomacy & Military Campaigns will note that this will still leave Ottomans free to campaign in Russia/Ukraine (Plunder is rubbish....mostly Vodka & Pigs and locals are down right anti social), Interior of Africa (Plunder Ok.....but locals anti social) and the Moria & Venice in Greece (Home sweet Home).

The Good Court also gave the Austrians 5,000,000 Guineas to help defend the Hungarian Frontier from the Grand Vizier's "further consequences" (Is Rakoczi a further consequence?) and said sod all about the Grand Vizier's demand that Oman is given to him.

Keen students of Hapsburg internal politics will no doubt conclude that some people like the Countess Mary of Flanders, Gabriel del Montosa, even King James & the Pope would not be hugely upset if Charles III of Spain and his father were distracted from their feuds with Louis XIV by an outburst of Ottoman aggression.

Rumelian lords are no doubt pleading with the Sultan to take the non aggression treaty on offer and do not do anything to distract a perfectly good Franco-Hapsburg feud. But the Grand Vizier who may be an idiot Jannissary may fancy a three front war.

Are we about to see the Janissary Corp taking the Ottoman Road up the Danube to Vienna & Budapest again? How many Winged Hussars can you hire with a Papal Bull and £5M? If Cardinal Portocarrero carries the Sword of the Cid round Spain preaching Crusade will be get to the top of the honour score? What chance Portocarrero for Pope if the Flag of St James flys over Temple Mount?

7) The Poet King of Portugal Minister of Marine has said both Spanish & French warships can use his repair yards etc. Which may be handy if French War with Persians continue & also reflects Iberian Co-operation. The King of Portugal is the God Father of the Spanish Infanta and a close friend and ally of cultured Italian Queen of Spain.

Cool Sweden expressed support for a Prussian Wedding & its strong support for fellow Protestants in the UDP threatened by King James & the French. The Swedish Govt also threatened to hire a Swedish Fleet in Cadiz to Spain unless the English removed blockade. The Blockade is now removed but how much credit the Swedes can claim for this is open to question. Assume this Fleet can now head back home ready for Great Northern War III in due course






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Post by Kingmaker on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:22 pm

Should Ottomans come to Russia they will find me waiting.......


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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:20 pm

Kingmaker wrote:Should Ottomans come to Russia they will find me waiting.......

As I said the weather is bad, loot is crap & the locals are anti social Very Happy

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Post by Kingmaker on Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:04 pm

good keep the tourists out.......


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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:38 am

Jason wrote:Been a long time since anyone has mentioned G7.  How is it going?  Still insane as ever?

January 1712 Gloire du Roi has shown up and I do not think there was many display's of actual insanity along with the usual displays of bad temper, ill will and general lack of trust but to be fair the paper did not go into much detail about the doing's of Lord Fong other than he is travelling (in mid winter? slight insanity??) and asked a local magistrate to attend a feast. Sadly no accounts of the magistrate being Lord Fong's favourite Monkey having his grapes peeled and dipped in honey by girls in golden Panda outfits but no doubt this will come out in due course.

Possible doubts also raised about:

1) Louis XIV and his God Complex........In change from his usual Apollo & Mars he has now taken to dressing as "Sol Invictus" the Roman Sun God, dressing his wife as the Goddess Venus and argueing with the Pope over theology and who has the right to apply spiritual sanctions in France. While claiming to enforced the Papal Bull Britannicus Clement and helped to bring England back into the Roman Communion. Which no doubt came as a shock to the Anglican Bishops in England.

2) King Thalun Toungoo of Burma who wants to ally with Lord Fong "so like the elephant on a rampage we can trample down any attempt by immoral Russia to dominate us!".......said by the King of Sweden, Polish Lords or the Khan of the Crimea this would sound logical. But from Burma is it just me thinks its sounds a bit Parnoid? After all the changes of the Russian Navy actually finding Burma on a map let alone sailing their without sinking must be really, really small.

3) Liverpool Jacobites.......who rather than wait for better conditions hired French Merchant ships to take freed Spanish Civilian POWs through the St Georges Chanel, round Lands End and across Biscay. To no sensible persons surprise half of the ships sunk killing large numbers of French & Spanish Sailors. Madness to attempt trip? Or just greed and stupidity by Captains who should have known waters better?

4) The Emperor Leopold.......Seems to have decided he is a "Man of Peace" due to having signed not one but two treaties. No one seems to have the heart to wake up the HRE from his sweet dreams and drag him back from his nice fluffy place.....in order to inform him that it is a possibility that he may soon be at war with Ottoman backed Hungarian Rebels. and its probably not going to be a nice "Lace War" ".

Mind you the Emperor may be correct since faced with a manic 2nd Hapsburg Son screaming "NO SURRENDER" and issuing threats to have rebels & Christain renegades "impaled, coated in tar and set or fire before they expire to light up the price of treason" against the House of Hapsburg even the Grand Vizier seems to be showing signs of backing off. The Grand Vizier is generally viewed as a professional (well he works for one) in dealing with highly breed over exitable mad men prone to extreme displays of violence if annoyed.

Aside from possible mental stability concerns in G7 other things happening inc:

5) War is still going on in Scotland with the Jacobite English Navy attacking the River Defences of Glasgow. One Dutch Lineship blew up after English pulled back. Both sides taking a pounding.

6) War continues in India with Persia Siege of Pondicherry disrupted by French Counter Attacks out of the City re-captured the covered way and routed a Persian Brigade. But the French seem to have lost all of their artillery and Persians have brought up supplies and reinforcements. So slowly but surely the defences of the HQ of France in India would seem to be failing.

7) As sort of mentioned under item 4 the Holy Roman Emperor has joined the Jacobites, French & Spanish in signing the Peace of Scotland. But Persia which is at war with France but not England has refused French Terms unless Louis XIV says sorry for calling them nasty things (anyone remember what he called them?.....think he implied the Shah was a vassel of the Ottoman Empire and should do what the Sultan says...but I may be wrong scratch ). Meanwhile the Dutch have said they are only signing if they get to see a copy of Papal bull Britannic Clement so they know what they are signing. Which may be a bit of a problem since I think the Pope issued a verbal bull
saying that under Catholic Cannon Law King James is King of England, Ireland and Scotland.

Cool This ruling is influential with Catholic's and firmed up his support in Ireland and with Scots/English Catholic's plus gave Louis XIV a reason to declare war on Spain, Austria and the UDP the minute their treaty expired. But it means nothing to the Protestant Dutch, Swedes & Scots who have abolished the Scots Monarchy in favour of a Republic so even if James Holds the title King of Scots it is now a positionless title. Unless King James can force the Scots to abolish their Republic and restore the Monarchy by Military Means.

In interesting turn up the Pope (linked to rows with Louis XIV) the Pope has now issued a new Papal Bull Britannicus Clement II saying the earlier Bull may not be employed to prevent the pursuit of peace, or any good thing.

Thus the good Catholics in England, Ireland and France can now sign a treaty with the Scots Republic bringing a return of peace to the British Isles without being in violation of the original Papal Bull! Very Happy

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Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:58 pm

That all sounds very complicated. Isn't there an easy to follow plot concerning the Spanish succession, or when is a pirate not a pirate? I did notice that those Scots are playing a prominent role again; where ever there's issue in a game you can be assured the Scots will be involved somehow Razz

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:53 pm

Rozwi_Game10 wrote:That all sounds very complicated. Isn't there an easy to follow plot concerning the Spanish succession, or when is a pirate not a pirate? I did notice that those Scots are playing a prominent role again; where ever there's issue in a game you can be assured the Scots will be involved somehow Razz

Easy to follow plot of G7:

1) Spanish Bourbon party lead by Count Monterrey had row with Louis XIV and joined with Spanish Hapsburg party lead by Cardinal Portocarrero to crown Charles von Hapsburg as King of Spain backed up by will of Carlos II, all of the Cortez and and united Spanish Church & Army. Charles then married a girl from Milan and to date has had four children. Spanish succession = Solved.

2) Ref the possible "Pirate" positions.........Blackbeard remains a old school pirate. The HWIC became honest merchants & not so honest Politicans most of them are now in exile or have been executed by the Jacobites.

3) Scots are just being Scots ie Revolting.......with one lot of Scots are in revolt and the King and another lot revolting against them.
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Post by Jason on Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:28 pm

Stuart Bailey wrote:

2) King Thalun Toungoo of Burma who wants to ally with Lord Fong "so like the elephant on a rampage we can trample down any attempt by immoral Russia to dominate us!".......said by the King of Sweden, Polish Lords or the Khan of the Crimea this would sound logical.  But from Burma is it just me thinks its sounds a bit Parnoid?  After all the changes of the Russian Navy actually finding Burma on a map let alone sailing their without sinking must be really, really small.




Oddly he isn't paranoid, at least in G7 terms. When I took on the role of Governor of the Russian Far East there was a strange thing that he had apparently been engaged to a daughter of the King of Burma but it had been broken off (not clear by which side) and now Burma hated/feared Russia. My character was however already married and my feeling had been for some time so not sure quite how the marriage could take place...and Burma wasn't that far from Singapore, even the Russian Navy could find its way there...

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