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G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

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Re: G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

Post by Jason on Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:27 pm

In all fairness, Lord Fong's statements are often pretty cutting...

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:28 am

March 1712 Gloire du Roi has shown up and the new era of peace, sweetness and light promised in in G7 seems to be getting of to a very slow start.  For non players in G7 here are the highlights.......or should that he the lowlights?

1) Count Monterrey Grand Chamberlain of Spain gets fed up waiting for the Ottoman Grand Vizier to stop saying he is going to do it and actually put a draft Hapsburg-Ottoman non aggression treaty on the table.  Plus the Spanish Envoy in Constantinople gave lots of nice gifts to Ottoman Pasha's & esp to the Sultan (no doubt trying to match English gifts to the Grand Vizier)

- Grand Vizier Farooq reply?..........to increase the tax rate on Spanish trade & the HWIC in Ottoman Anatolia to 50%, threaten to take the Head Quarters of the Spanish Viceroy of Africa (Oran) by force, say he is ending all diplomatic talks with the Hapsburg's and last but not least called the kind, friendly, genial, father of four & general good egg who is the King of Spain & Naples etc a conniving man of low standards who dissembles and twists what has what has clearly been stated.

Some Ottoman Lords and probably the Sultan are starting to wonder about the diplomatic ability of the GV and his employment of a Jacobite speach writer.  They hope the the jumped up Janissary who runs the once great office of Grand Vizier is a better military commander than he is a diplomat.  

2) On the subject of Oran the English Navy attacked the place (to show the Ottomans how its done?)........claiming that as they were attacking the HWIC (on the soil/waters of a Spanish colony) this is not a violation of the peace treaty.  This would seem to be equal to an English Protestant Govt in G10 attacking Jacobite exiles in Brest and French troops commanded by Berwick and then saying this is not aggression against France.  Spanish crown lawyers are wondering if the English version of the treaty says something different to the version they are reading?????

- The English attack smashed up various HWIC Cruisers in the Port of Oran but Admiral Whitaker Fleet is now under fire from the Port Citadel and his marine landing forces being roughly treated by the Spanish Foreign Legion.  When a Jacobite Officer attempted to speak to the Legion (motto Long Live Death) they just shot him dead, clearly not overly happy with being stabbed in the back and dodgy Jacobite legal claims.

3) To twist the knife in the bruised pride of the Royal House of Hapsburg the Elector of Saxony has said that due to the weakness of the Hapsburg Military..... Saxony, Prussia, Sweden and the other northern powers need to consider an alliance to ensure their future peace and security now the Emperor can no longer guarantee it on his own.  Seemingly in pursuit of this Northern (Protestant) Alliance the Dutch Stadtholder is meeting the Danes and Sweden and Prussia are offering to act as guarantors for the Treaty of Scotland and Protestant rights in the British Isles.

- Seems to me before they can act as guarantors some people are going to have to agree on what the treaty wording actually means!

- Also how common is the view held by the GV & the Elector of Saxony that the Royal House of Hapsburg has been so weakened by recent struggles that the Vulture's can start to rip bits (like Oran) off the corpse????  Or will they find that that they have attacked a Hydra?  

4) In India both the Moghuls and Maharatas have declined to provide recruits to help the French fight the Persians, but the good news for the French is that with their Fortress Guns knocked out and their Naval support sunk the heroic Duc de Albret and his Pondicherry Garrison fight on and continue to dispute the covered way with Major-General Qarachaqay Khan Persians.  

Elsewhere but in the same general area Persian Cruisers continue to take French Merchant ships and the Shah has purchased Port Sadras from the Dutch.  The Maharatas and their Austrian trained Military have expressed concern about Muslim Persian expansion on their East Coast.

It remains to be seen if the Shah is a better diplomat than the Ottoman Grand Vizier and if he can calm fears?  Or is he indeed planning a Jihad?

5) No news of French troops starting their withdraw from Spanish territory or returning Austrian POWs in large number but they are probably just waiting for better conditions.  Gen the Duc de Santa Cruz & his Spanish Army has marched into Liverpool and gathered Merchant shipping to take his troops home.  To avoid problems he paid double price for supplies from local merchants, who were able to restock and avoid local supply problems by buying grain etc shipped in from Spain at normal price (ie 50% extra profit to merchants 50% to James III robbing custom's men and their shocking levies on food imports).  Spanish troops are also reported to be heading out of France as the weather gets better but some of their coastal traffic heading up coast from Dunkirk got battered in storms.  On plus side Spanish Medical help and food supplies were able to help local authorities in the South end plague outbreaks and make sure towns have enough food before they left.

In Spanish political theory most of these places are still part of Spain but under French occupation for last 30 years so they still need to be looked after.

6) Sadly for people expecting the generous and sporting action shown by Santa Cruz etc to lead to a new fluffy G7 the temptation to land one final blow before peace is signed (and to be fair help out the abandoned Scots) and they have to give back all that lovely Hapsburg Artillery & foot proved to much for the Dutch HQ in Scotland.

Leading a Huge Column of "Dutch" Troops (Dutch in this case tends to mean under orders of Dutch HQ in Scotland and in past has included Scots, English, American, Prussians, Swedes, French Protestant, Spanish, Austrians & other Germans etc, etc) Veldmaarschalk Van Nassau-Ouwerkerk positioned his mostly Mercenary Spanish Artillery to bombard Dunbarton and lead his Orange Horde in a wild attack on Stuart 4th Army.  In an action which shows the Dutch Army is clearly going "native" in Scotland reports do not even indicate even a volley being fired before they closed with cold steel and engaged the "resting" Stuart Soldiers in a wild fight in the Streets of Dumbarton.  A fight which turned into a mass rout of 4th Army.

Accounts in the Paper do not make it clear but from earlier papers I suspect 4th Army were badly outnumbered, I also suspect being attacked while "resting" and having to hurridly form up may give a further disadvanatge (no accounts of attackers being hit by defenders fire as they closed).  Finally the "Dutch" have probably been resting in Glasgow and getting back 2 #SL per month while Jacobites have been fighting raid's since main fight last summer so I suspect the "Dutch" to have been in better condition than their foes.

7) The good news for the poor people of Dunbarton is that the Orange Order did not celebrate its Victory over the Finian Foe by going on a rampage and sacking the town.  Either it was too early or they were distracted by a greater prize......the pride of the English Navy "repairing" using the Dunbarton Yards to Repair and helpless.

I think many people would say that only so many ships can use a shipyard/repair yard at any one time and only a percentage of Ships crew (say a watch or a third) would be on shore at any one time so some if not the majority of ships should be able to cut their cables and sail out of the debarcle but minus a lot of sailors/officers left on shore along with lost sails and anchors.  

Sadly in this hard core game if you are caught using repair yards in a port when said port gets stormed by the Orange Order it seems that your ships are caught with their yards and rigging down, sails on deck being stitched, Admiral, Captains etc with the breeches down in the local knocking shop or passed out in the bar and in no fit state to lead a heroic escape down river before battle mad Scots come bounding up your gang plank to claim your ship for the Republic and start painting it Orange and re-naming it RSS Banockburn.

The sole English Lineship avoiding the Disaster was the good ship Britannia which was on the Clyde plus 28 Cruisers making their way to Dumbarton from Ireland which this ship was able to warn.

Cool Basically it seems that the Dutch-Scots HQ in Scotland has won the greatest victory of the War after most people thought the war was basically over.  Which leaves most Diplomatic types thinking bugger "this is a bigger mess than the Treaty of Warsaw" & how the hell are the Dutch going to get their prizes (which under the treaty they can keep......minus Crews which need to be freed with £2 passage money) home when most of them can not get into Dutch Harbours without help.  

9) At the Hague the Jesuit Envoy has finally handed over a copy of the Papal Bull awaited by Dutch Govt Lawyers so they can consider the Peace Treaty put forward by Louis XIV.  The Ball says that in the Opinion of the Pope James Stuart is the rightful Catholic King of England, Ireland & Scotland.  It is therefore of Importance to Royalist Catholic's in England, Scotland & Ireland and non at all to Protestants and Republicans in these countries.

10)  At Versailles Elmo Putnam was asking for an extension of the treaty acceptance date so his Government could check what the  awaited Papal Bull said.  While King Louis was rewarding his commanders with Palaces and the like.  Clearly the King and most Diplomats like Putnam think the War is over..........pity no one told Vice-Admiral Whitaker or the Dutch HQ in Scotland!

11) While the French & Austrians celebrate Victory with Grand Royal largess, paintings and music & the Dutch & English seem to still be fighting.  In Madrid Constable Velasquez and the Spanish Defence Ministry has set up a commission to review the leasons of the last war.
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Re: G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

Post by Deacon on Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:58 am


Ouch. Painful lesson on ships in port. I wouldn't have thought it would be that bad, and might well have fallen afoul of that myself.

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Re: G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:17 am

Deacon wrote:
Ouch. Painful lesson on ships in port. I wouldn't have thought it would be that bad, and might well have fallen afoul of that myself.

Key point seems to have been not that the English Fleet were in a port when it was stormed...... but that they were in a repair yard and "repairing" when it happened.

Earlier in same war the French Navy was in Calais when it was taken by the Spanish. On this occassion the main French fleet got away to Sea apart from some laid up ships and a French supply/reinforcement convoy and their Escorts which sailed into Calais after the port had fallen and were taken captive.

Calais was after a siege and the French Navy had orders to put to sea, a closer event to the recent one was when the Spanish stormed Glasgow and their Swiss Merc's attempted to storm active English Naval Ships in port. In this case the boarding attempt was foiled due to ships pulling up their gangplanks. Some English Lineships were damaged by having grenadoes thrown onto them but the Swiss were then forced back by a storm of naval gunfire which wrecked most of the Glasgow water front.

Not sure if Ships are equally exposed to danger if under "repair" orders or if the "repair in X repair yard" is the real danger. But players may like to keep it in mind or if really parnoid start building floating repair ships.

Oddly in G7 we now seem to have had a re-run of the 3rd Anglo-Dutch Naval War with the English gaining their political objectives due to events in Europe but suffering a Naval Humiliation as a result of a Dutch raid on their anchorage. Perhaps worse since in the Medway Raid they only lost Ships rather than Admirals and Crews.

If Admiral Benbow was taken with his fleet will he in future be known as "Old Breaches Down" Benbow? After being taken captive enjoying a visit to the ships "heads"? No evidence of this at all but hell this is G7 never a game to allow the truth to get in the way of a good yarn
( comments like "yes thats because you are playing in it" from bigger sellers of pure propaganda called Jason than me are not needed!).

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Re: G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

Post by J Flower on Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:32 am

Wonder if the Russians could get the Captured Ships at Dumbarton for a knock down price, after all, they are now second hand, slightly tarnished, in need of repair, & ready to sink at a moments notice so basically would fit right in to Russian navy strategy without anyone noticing.

If Russia would offer the Grand Pensionary of UDP a herd of goats & a life's supply of Vodka then he surely would be happy to do a deal.....



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Re: G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:11 am

J Flower wrote:Wonder if the Russians could get the Captured Ships at Dumbarton for a knock down price, after all, they are now second hand, slightly tarnished, in need of repair, & ready to sink at a moments notice so basically would fit right in to Russian navy strategy without anyone noticing.

If Russia would offer the Grand Pensionary of UDP  a herd of goats & a life's supply of Vodka then he  surely would be happy to do a deal.....


If the Grand Pensionary signed the treaty of Scotland after the battle but before the end March 1712 he has to pay a lot of English Soldiers and Sailors £2 each passage money. Plus his own men would probably like prize money like they get in the Dutch Navy! The Scots, English, Spanish, French, Swiss, German & other noble heroic adventurers/Merc scum (depending on your view point) will probably want a cut as well.

Faced with these type of bills and a load of prizes which do not fit into Dutch harbours I guess the Stadtholder can pass ships to Scots or Dutch colonial Naval forces (but may struggle to find crews), break them up for the timber and metal or try and flog them off to interested parties looking to expand their fleets with "Top quality ships, recently modernized and refurbish, only one careful owner.......dont worry about the stains on the decks.......bit of scrubbing and will soon be good as new."

On the basis that the Russians have already bought a colony with disputed land ownership, paid over the top for a whole batch of colonies populated by Pirates, Smugglers and exiled Religious Fanatics who hate Orthodoxy & Icons which the vendor had no control over at all and paid for a boat trip to New England which ended up in Scotland. I am sure Dutch Ship Brokers will be delighted to stitch up the Russian Navy sorry I mean entertain the requests of their most noble Russian clients.

The thought does occur that if the Grand Pensionary has not signed the treaty before 23:59 on the last day of March 1712 we are into clause VIII territory and the Russian Navy could end up buying ships with rival ownership claims & the Czar could end up being branded as a buyer of "stolen ships"...............Oh by God, they legal bills could alone could cost more that buying a brand new 120 Gunner with all mod cons and a state cabin from a Spanish Yard for instance.

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