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Re: G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

Post by Stuart Bailey on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:45 pm

Jason wrote:i'm starting to think the only way to have peace in G7 is for one side to completely and utterly wipe the other out, down to the last cat.

Actually, if you do not count all the drowned Russian's (Do Russians actually count as people in this period?) losses in G7 have been fairly light. With a few exceptions amongst captured senior officers and political leaders both sides have generally been willing to take and exchange POW's. Compared to the ruthless Cavalry pursuits of G2 with armies of captives impaled, blinded or sold into slavery the worse most people have done in G7 is offer a POW a job on the other side, sometimes with threats but more often backed up with offers of a pay rise.

G7 has also been shockingly lacking in sacked cities and burning villages. Knocking down canals used for troop movement & the levy of "contributions" based on a town's normal taxes and then handing over a receipt so they can claim it back from own Government seems a bit s lacking compared to old style threats to turn Poland into a Roman Candle.

Personally I think Roy is right.....G10 has too many milk sop Western European Types who spend their time worrying what the Pope & the Vicar General of the Jesuits will say and not enough Asian & African Warlords who know that you end wars by cutting the foe and his cat in half!

The Good news in G7 is that with the Hapsburg's knocked out of the main War of the British Succession its now down to Catholic V Protestant. Thirty years War anyone?Very Happy

Also the Grand Vizier is starting to spoil for a fight with the Hapsburg's. The youngest generation of the Hapsburg Family now contains four daughters so the slaughter of possible bridegrooms and half the guest list plus upsetting the Pope is not really on........As Louis XIV had a Hapsburg mother and a Hapsburg wife guess even he will have to be sent a invite.

But the Grand Vizier is clearly not on the Wedding List & the Pope is not going to give the Hapsburgs grief.......FREE AT LAST! now were is my Papal Banner? Crusade Bull? The Sword of the Cid? bounce
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Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:48 am

Stuart Bailey wrote:Personally I think Roy is right.....G10 has too many milk sop Western European Types who spend their time worrying what the Pope & the Vicar General of the Jesuits will say and not enough Asian & African Warlords who know that you end wars by cutting the foe and his cat in half

Not exactly what I was thinking Very Happy But my Rozwi's attitude to POWs is kill them now so you don't have to worry about them later.

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:39 pm

June 1712 Glori du Roi has shown up and for non players in G7 here is the highlights package.  Mind you clearly the highlights package is not enough for some players who have instead taken up minor positions were they can trade, fish, do a little gentile diplomacy with friendly locals and generally eat pop corn in a ring side seat.  My post contained contained letters from a couple of new players - Welcome to the new Russian Department East and also to the new Viceroy of Spanish Africa (Director of the HWIC):  Anyway enough of the Hello's and on with the Highlights package for people thinking about taking a position in G7

1) RODRIGO MARTELLO, Knight of the League of St.George, HWIC Chairman & Director, Officer of the Spanish Guards, Spain's Viceroy in Africa, ex Postmaster General and Chairman of the Bank of Africa, Son (legitimate? or not??) of Charles II of England in exile and a Lady from Flanders.  Gentleman Privateer & Swordsman, Poet and man of Science & Business who is the true Catholic Heir to the Crown according to some......Bloody handed Pirate, Smuggler, a fraud and a Traitor according to others IS BACK!!! spluttering outrage that his relation James III of England has just trashed HWIC shipping in Oran. Even though Oran is a Spanish Port and would have been covered by the treaty of Scotland if the Dutch had signed the treaty on time.

- To mark his return to a more active Social and political life the Bank he set up to help trade in Africa went bankrupt.  No doubt the Spanish Teasury will want to know why?  Rodrigo will blame losses due to being the target of Jacobite action and his distractors will mutter about fraud and the bank being used as a subsidy to support for Rodrigo's high risk "trade" activity (Slaving, Privateering etc).

- For info if anyone asked for minor Trade Company position just to get used to G7 and were not fully aware of the back history of the HWIC a) You need to read this thread from the start & b) If you thought you were getting a minor trouble free position from Richard....you have been SOLD DOWN THE RIVER.

2) The French have joined the War in Scotland.  In a major Naval Battle in the Firth of Forth 101 French Line ships have have driven off the Dutch Fleet which had Jacobite Forces in Leith under blockade/naval bombardment and re-captured a English Lineship which was formerly a Dutch Prize.  Vice-Admiral Phelypeaux is reported to be disappointed not to have done more damage to the much smaller but very tough and well handled fleet of Admiral Callenburgh.  Meanwhile a second French Fleet showed up in the Clyde escorting 36 French Transports but any plans to land or re-capture Dutch Prizes at Dumbarton were foiled when the Dutch decided that the prizes were too damaged to be taken to sea & would not fit into Dutch Harbours anyway and torched the lot of them after allowing local Scots to help strip them of anything of value.

- One wonders how French Elan is going to enjoy spending months being sea sick and breathing smoke, followed by the dreaded Scots Midges & the cold and wet which did so much damage to the Army of the Czar.

- The Dutch have also set free numerous Spanish prizes taken by the English but managed to torch four of them when burning the English lineships.  These ships are now sat on the Clyde wondering if its safe to try and get home, Vice-Adiral Admiral Sir Percival Graves considered that this could be a cunning Dutch ploy....Fireships flying a false flag? Smugglers trying to take Traitors and rebels out of the country? But then decided that after Oran and the Dumbarton the action which would most please the cunning and tricky Dutch would be if he blasted a load of Spanish built merchant ships, flying the Spanish Flag and not carrying any controband to bits.

3) Meanwhile on land a couple of neat Jacobite raid's re-captured Dumbarton Castle after the defenders had withdrawn and another raid at night destroyed 20 Bomb Ketches which had been covering the chain and other obstacles guarding Port Glasgow.  This second boat raid resulted in fairly heavy losses to the Marines when their boats were fired on by carronades and muskets but as well as taking out the bomb  ketches brought back information that Port Glasgow is now well and truely out of action due to scuttled block ships and the only way up the Clyde to Glasgow is by row boat.

Whig and Jacobite forces continue to manover for position in Scotland but with little action.  This is not to say that the dieing has stopped since the Whig Commanders sent the German-Austrian troops of the KGL the short distance to Stirling escorting many POWs in good conditions (for Scotland).  Sadly the dreaded Scots midges were active again and it seems to have turned into a death march for the remains of the Jacobite 4th Army.

4) No doubt the news that the French Navy is sailing further away from India was read with glee by the Persian High Command.  Persian Cruisers continued to destroy French Marine in Indian and the far eastern waters (taking another 17 prizes this month) and the French Station of Chandernagore is now under threat from over 100 Persian War Ships.  The Heroic French Garrison of Pondicherry continues to keep the Bourbon Flag flying but most be feeling rather abandoned.

5) On subject of abandoned French Units the Spanish are feeling just a bit miffed that in total violation of the Treaty of Scotland the French have made no effort at all to move out of Mexico City or Santa Marta etc. While it understandable that the French Troops in question are in no rush to leave the taverns of Mexico City for the mean streets of Glasgow the Spanish probably feel particularly upset as they suffered badly in storms racing to meet the six month deadline and Santa Marta is not exactly like sailing into a war zone to take the Garrison of Ayr.

6) In yet another violation of the treaty of Scotland French troops seem to have violated the territory of the Holy Roman Empire in order to occupy the Dutch City of Breda.  It seems that the French avoided crossing Hapsburg Lands and instead trampled the growing crops, scattered spring lambs and generally spread terror and dismay by trampling their muddy hoof prints all over the lands of the Bishop-Princes.

- No doubt French Lawyers will claim that when then agreed a non aggression pact with the Holy Roman Empire they only ment his Austrian Lands and not the rest of the Holy Roman Empire.  It remains to be seen what the Princes of the Empire inc the two acting as guarantors think about this issue.

7) In Versailles the Dutch Envoy asked for a clause 8 settlement under the exact terms of the Treaty of Paris.........Louis XIV proclaimed he will live and die as a Jacobite, called the Dutch Envoy a liar and closed the Dutch Embassy.  The Peace Talks would seem to be officially closed, ended, finished and the war is BACK ON !!

Looks like the only option left for the Dutch, Scots & English Republican forces is to gird their loins and summon the spirits of Robert the Bruce, Wallace and William the Silent etc and fight, fight to the last musket is clogged, the last sword is broken and then really get mean using broken bottles and the Glasgow while crying FREEDOM!

Cool Last Russians troops seem to be leaving the British Isles & as a favour to the Dutch they envoy seems to be trying to find the bits of King William (executed by the Jacobites).

Meanwhile in other news nothing to do with the War of the British Succession and the Brotherhood we had lots of Court & Social news from Russia and Trade & Legal stuff from Spain.  Finally the Emperor seems to be getting some Good news in that he has started to welcome the return of Captive Austraian Troops to Vienna and has a good Harvest in Hungary.  Is this a reward from God for getting rid of 100,000 of those nasty Protestantant types from his Catholic Kingdom? Since England had a bad harvest I wonder if James also allowed the Dutch to leave the British Isles and anyone who can not face English Conquest and Jacobite rule in Scotland to ship out for the America's, Prussia or the UDP would this work for English Harvests as well?

With the Puritans and Pirates of New England now being reinforced by the worst border bandits, women and vampires from the badlands between the Ottoman's & Hapsburg territory one has to feel really sorry for the poor savages and any one eyed German Swordsman who the Czar makes Governor of the New York Colony?
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Post by Jason on Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:40 pm

In all fairness, The Russian Far East is more of a Regeneration than a new player Wink
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Post by Kingmaker on Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:25 pm

any news on G7 not seen a turn for a while?


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Post by Jason on Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:46 pm

It's here (or in my inbox at least)
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Post by Kingmaker on Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:09 pm

yea same here


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Post by Stuart Bailey on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:22 pm

Jason wrote:It's here (or in my inbox at least)

Does this mean peace & sweet harmoney broken out in G7?

Or have we had more battles and charges of bad faith? Plus totally unreasonable treatment of honest lawabiding Spanish Traders?

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Post by J Flower on Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:39 pm

Stuart Bailey wrote:
Jason wrote:It's here (or in my inbox at least)

Does this mean peace & sweet harmoney broken out in G7?

Or have we had more battles and charges of bad faith?  Plus totally unreasonable treatment of honest lawabiding Spanish Traders?

Is" Honest Lawabiding Spanish Trasders" something you have to get as a research breakthrough, in a similar way to Russian naval crews who can sail?

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:28 pm

J Flower wrote:
Stuart Bailey wrote:
Jason wrote:It's here (or in my inbox at least)

Does this mean peace & sweet harmoney broken out in G7?

Or have we had more battles and charges of bad faith?  Plus totally unreasonable treatment of honest lawabiding Spanish Traders?

Is" Honest Lawabiding Spanish Trasders" something you have to get as a research breakthrough, in a similar way to Russian naval crews who can sail?


No its a result of a loveable Hapsburg Monarch, a common legal code and courts with trained judges & the influence of the Counter-Reformation inc giving the little blighters a damn good thrashing at Jusuit run schools to make sure they learn honesty and fair dealing at a young age!Very Happy

The fact that the Royal Bank of Africa has just gone bust in Spanish Africa costing over £1.5m to sort out I blame on the influence of a French America's (Jamaica) registered company lead by Englishmen & Americans!!! Think Martel needs to stick to the Slaves, Ivory, Opium, Guns and Gin, since I have serious doubts about him being a fit and proper person to run a Bank.

In view of what King James III did to the bank of England its clearly a family trait. Perhaps for his next trick he can set up the Moscow & Riga Marine Insurance Company? Flogging cheap Marine insurance in Russia.

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:40 pm


July 1712 issue of Gloire du Roi has shown up and if anyone was wondering if the War of the English (probably British is a better word) Succession has ended and the Brotherhood has all retired to the Costa Brava........I can confirm that the answer is NO:

1) Only one ship lost at sea to possible brotherhood action (English in West Indies). Probably because its ex (?) leaders are either busy sending "Sorry" letters to the Spanish Treasury and Merchant Guarantee Schemes about the Royal Bank of Africa or have got religion and joined the Orange Order.

2) Orange Order skirmishers started another Battle at Dumbarton. The Orange Men lead a frontal attack on the Jacobite ridge line position by Scots, Dutch & French Protestant troops which also had backing of a mostly Spanish Merc Artillery.

- Either Jacobite Gunners have improved or the Spanish Merc Artillery has lost its edge due to the number of combats they have been in (Higher Sickness level than their foes) since they failed to silence the Jacobite Guns. Even though their advance was hampered by Jacobite caltrops the deadly platoon fire of the Veldmaarsschalk Infantry Infantry however swept the 10th & 12th Regiments and then the Earl of Newcastle foot plus the artillery off the ridge and down the other side of the ridge.

- With Newcastle foot in in retreat Major General Savage (an Englishman fighting for the Scots) who's cavalry had been working round the Northern Flank of the Jacobites now charged the flank of the disordered foot.

- Newcastle's Army was looking total disaster in the face as the Dutch Cavalry swept in for the kill......but was saved by William Mackintosh of Borlum (a Scot fighting for the English) who lead his outnumbered horse in a counter charge. His men lost but they did win time for the English/Foot and Guns to win clear. Its probably lucky for the Jacobites that they faced Dutch Troters who favour a French style Cavalry melee.......than the recently withdrown Spanish Horse who the English carefully avoided in recent years since the gallopers would no doubt have tried to smash through the Cavalry Screen and get their Toledo steel into the vitals of the English Army.

- A day later the retreating English the Army had their backs to the Clyde and there morale was at rock bottom when their Naval support sailed away and the Dutch-Scots were pushing on their way in fine style. But having cleared the road back to Glasgow Nassau-Ouwerkerk showed no further interest in finishing off the battered Jacobites but just marched on to Glasgow. The Dutch Generals caution and need to re-establish his supply lines and get inside the fortified lines round Glasgow showed up a few days later with the arrival from the west of a French Army which has finally struggled ashore in Scotland.

- No reports yet printed on the size of the French force, its commender or what it thinks about its first sight of sunny Dumbarton with its river full of a burnt out English fleet and the Streets and hills around the town covered in dead bodies. WELCOME TO BONNY SCOTLAND FROG EATERS (may be some Frogs but you forget the Garlic and a good Red Wine).

3) Over Edinburgh way.....Lord Fairfax lead 20 Battalions of Foot and 4 Squadrons out of Leith and marched to Falkirk. Which was lucky for the good Major-General as General Opdam shortly after moved up 21 Batteries of Artillery and Light Infantry into range of Leith and started shooting. The snipers were driven back by Jacobite rockets but the Artillery fire had a very nasty effect when it caused a Jacobite Magazine to explode. After repeated bombardments from sea and land the Jacobite base in Leith is probably a bit of a mess which may explain why the French Fleet off the Port took one look at Scotland and decided not to bother with a spot of R & R in sunny Leith.

4) This fleet sailed off and later showed up to bombard the Dutch Port of Den Helder. Which is now looking as big a mess as Leith with no less than 28 small Cruisers and 20 dredgers wrecked by the French attack. Commodore Bradley Robbins (who I think may be an American? Member of Brotherhood?) saved his men by leading them ashore rather than take on French Lineships who oddly did not run aground in Dutch Waters. Looks like the Dredgers they sunk have been doing too good a job.

5) A further French attack has taken Bergen-Op-Zoom..........it is not clear if this attack was from the Sea or like Breda was launched by forces who have violated the territory of the Holy Roman Empire to attack the UDP. Currently the Imperials are up in arms about being treated as a French Door Mat and are demanding the French stop trampling their muddy hoof prints all over the Empire. Emperor Leopold seems to be most upset that after he signed the treaty of Scotland to end the war the French they treat the Empire with such distain. The current Question is does the non aggression and territorial respect clause the French signed with the Emperor mean just lands directly ruled by the Emperor? Or the Whole Empire? Think this is one for the lawyers!

6) On the plus side the French do finally seem to be making a belated effort to leave the Spanish America's. Unlike some other issues this was a clear French violation of the Treaty of Scotland but it seems that Gabriel del Montosa and others are willing to take a charitable view. Since what Gentleman of taste is going to rush away from the many delights of Acapulco with its sun kissed beaches and Latin beauties to sail off to the Clydeside killing fields and live on a diet of Haggis.

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Post by J Flower on Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:48 am

On the case of the HRR & Hapsburgs, as I undertand it each member of the HRR can make treaties seperatly to the Kaiser, in a similar way the Reich also declares war seperatly as member states, the Reichstag, can meet to make a unilateral declaration, but states can abstain as well. In a similar way Outside states can also pick a fight with individual member states of the Reich, said states can then appeal for help to other Reich states, but that wasn't always forthcoming. The Reich was unified in name only, often Hapsburg intersts & Imperial interests were not the same, add in the relegious problems & othe family feuds & you basically get a patch work map of states who will, will not, or only for the right amount of money fight for the fatherland.

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:28 pm

J Flower wrote:On the case of the HRR & Hapsburgs, as I undertand it each member of the HRR can make treaties seperatly to the Kaiser, in a similar way the Reich also declares war seperatly as member states, the Reichstag, can meet to make a unilateral declaration, but states can abstain as well. In a similar way Outside states can also pick a fight with individual member states of the Reich, said states can then appeal for help to other Reich states, but that wasn't always forthcoming. The Reich was unified in name only, often Hapsburg intersts & Imperial interests were not the same, add in the relegious problems & othe family feuds & you basically get a patch work map of states who will, will not, or only for the right amount of money fight for the fatherland.

Have had another look at the Treaty of Scotland and it says Austria (not the Holy Roman Empire) but its signed by the Emperor (not by the Archduke of Austria). Sloppy drafting and use of titles in my view so I guess the Electors and Princes of the Empire can feel that the treaty covers the whole Empire or they can refuse to be bound by what some Papist in Vienna decides and feel free to join their Protestant Brothers in the UDP.

For players running positions like the Ottoman Sultan and the King of Poland or players dealing with them I think this recent confusion shows the importance of clearly showing which area's the treaty covers ie just Ottoman Anatolia or the whole Ottoman Empire.

Must be something about G7 but the Treaty of Warsaw followed by the Treaty of Scotland !! This is getting Crazy? Have we got too many lawyers in this game or not enough?

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Post by J Flower on Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:01 pm

Turn has arrived,

Interesting that Russian "Flagged" ships have turned up off the coast of Holland, Especially as Russia lost all it's Lineships to a storm in the Atlantic a few turns back, wonder who is flying the flag fo Russia, if they have Russian crews as well then there should be another disaster at sea to report next month.

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Post by J Flower on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:43 am

Just wondering if historically ships Captains would be happy to fight under false flags, personally would have thought they would find it dishonourable, also shows they are afraid to fly their true colours.

Would any actions done under false colours count as acts of piracy, so that if the nation that they are taking advantage of caught them, surely it would be seen as a hanging offence.

I know in game we can simply issue the order to "fly flag of country....." but historically flags took a while to create, one of the jobs of the court artist was to paint the new flags, so when a lot of regiments or ships were raised in one go their could actually be a backlog of issuing new flags, even if they weren't painted, but stitched instead, once again there is a time frame involved, maybe if a time period was introduced before flying flags of another country to allow for production, or maybe you need a forger to create the flags.

Would maybe stop the unhistorical use of other positions flags.
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Post by Jason on Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:33 am

Given the track record of the Russian Navy, you've think anyone being devious would prefer to fly the flag of a fleet that tends not to sink! And as I command (I think) the majority of the Russian fleet that hasn't sunk, I can assure you all that fleet ain't mine!

So, own up, which of you is being a low-down, rotten deceiver?
And, if your ships don't sink in the next month, we claim them as compensation!

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Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:23 am

The flying of false flags was a fairly common "rouse de guarre" as the French termed it.

But its a trick used by individual pirates and cruisers trying to take a prize or slip into a harbour on a cutting out mission rather than by whole fleets.

Basically experienced sailors can identify were a ship is from from its lines, the cut of a sails, its rig, plus other factors like its paint work, name plates, design and decor probably well before they are close enough to see the flag. Its a bit like in WW2 sticking a German Cross on a T34....this may cause German Anti Tank gunners to think before shooting one tank esp in company with other German vehicles but a whole Division of the things are going to fool no one and if the T34's are coming from the wrong direction or not expected they are probably going to be shooting at the shape long before seeing the Iron Cross. On the other hand Germans using captured T34 against their former owners and "accidently" allowing their new cross to get all muddy may be a lot more effective.

To fool someone about the were a ship comes from rather than just flying a false flag you either have to use "prizes" or totally re-fit the ship to make it look like it comes from a different yard. A false flag on its own will only work if you approach from head on and do not allow people to get a good look at the whole ship. This is just not going to happen with a whole fleet with the possible exception of being lead into harbour in line lead by some prizes.

Not sure if sailors would be that bothered by flying a false flag, the key point is that its really, really dishonourable to fight under a false flag.......its OK to use a false flag to get close to a target but you have to take the false flag down and fly your true colours before you open fire (even if you are a pirate).

Ref the "misuse" of the Russian Flag of the Dutch Coast.......think proper Sailors would feel like a bunch of plonkers at being ordered to pretend to be a bunch of land lubbers and sea sick serfs. What next? Watering down the Rum? Shooting Albatrosses?

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Post by J Flower on Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:13 pm

You can tell they are imposters & not proper Russian Sailors,

1) They are still afloat after half an hour
2) they are outside of the Calm waters of the Baltic( Russian Mapmakers don't have access to other parts of the world at the moment.
3) There is no mention of the goat mascot which accompanies each Russian naval unit !

Either a clever move using the Flag of the one Navy in the game that actually cannot build Ships of the Line, or a spelling mistake & it should have been flags of the Prussian yacht club, last made famous in game two for it's grenade attacks upon the Swedish fleet , oh happy days......

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