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Re: Game 10

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:08 pm


Think its fairly safe to think G10 Spain has or had a new player.

The only thing I would say is that there are "Challenging" positions to take on and then there is G10 Spain.

I am not saying that the position is broken since Spain is still a wealthy postion (Note who was 2nd in Levant trade in last Mercurius list) with plenty of recuits etc but:

- A famine
- X3 possible Kings
- What to do about semi self appointed Viceroys in Madrid, Milan, Flanders who are clearly not following orders
- The commons are beating up Govt messengers and having a riot
- EH is shot (probably due to famine and the riots)
- I am not saying the head of your Govt and Church is unpopular but the Pope refuses to be in the same room has him and most people think he is a traitor and a witch inc most of the neighbours.

Some players have taken on rather less problomatic positions, taken a look and said to Richard "You know I said I would like a challenging and involved position..........can I have one a little less so like a Jacobite, Hungarian Rebel, Blackbeard or a Wako Lord.

Personally I do not see the problem with having to burning your own Character for Witchcraft & Treason. A good burning has got to be worth more than yet another masked ball:D
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Re: Game 10

Post by Jason on Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:45 pm

I think the most sensible answer is for the mystery Spanish player to decide the old world is dead; secretly mass his armies and fleets, along with their families and the treasury. Then one day board every ship he has, basically say "so long and thanks for all the bullfights" and head for Spanish South America to create a New Spain there.

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Re: Game 10

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:59 pm

Jason wrote:I think the most sensible answer is for the mystery Spanish player to decide the old world is dead; secretly mass his armies and fleets, along with their families and the treasury. Then one day board every ship he has, basically say "so long and thanks for all the bullfights" and head for Spanish South America to create a New Spain there.

Well if anyone taking over Spain does not fancy all the fun & games of crushing "rebel" Viceroys in Italy and Flanders.

The other alternative is would be the "Ottoman" or "Polish" version of the Spanish Empire with:

NPC King/Sultan (Philip of Anjou)

PC: Chief Royal Advisor/Grand Vizier of Spain (direct control of Spain & America's etc)
PC: Pasha of Naples
PC: Pasha of Milan
PC: Pasha of Flanders

Think this would actually be closer to how the Spanish Empire was actually run historically esp under very week Kings like Carlos II. Philip of Anjou is a odd one in that he seems to have been what is now known as bi-polar and could have great bursts of energy and drive followed by periods of depression when he would not even speak to his ministers let alone give them orders. He also seems to have relied a lot on his wives both of whom were Italians (with Italian advisors) as well as French advisors. Which did not always go down well with the Old Spanish Nobility.

Some players will no doubt hate this type of set up and will want to run everything in "their" Empire but having a bit of "devolution" might well suit a player who likes diplomacy and is more interested in Trade & Colonial development in the America's than the difference between siege warfare in Flanders & Italy (The Flanders version is a lot wetter). Plus its a lot cheaper in terms of real money to run if other people are building canals, roads, etc, etc in Italy.

Anyone fancy a sort of super Portugal position? Or HRE with colonies? Very Happy

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Re: Game 10

Post by J Flower on Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:25 pm

Maybe the Spanish position needs at least another active player to function properly having a Viceroy in the Americas would certainly ease the strain both mentally & financially.

Still maybe the peace conference will give a different out come with the position getting penny -packeted out to all & sundry, so that Spanish player gets left with the city of Madrid & a small Olive tree Orchard in Italy which is a vassal to the Pope.

Now Pope has said that he wants to take control of Italy I wonder who will back him will he look to Vienna/ Paris to drive the French/ Austrians out of Papal Italy or France, so he can set about unifying Italy under the Papal banner.
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Re: Game 10

Post by Deacon on Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:00 am


I can attest from game 8, that Spain is a big position, and expensive in real world costs to run if you're really going to try to manage all the colonies.

I think you could farm parts of the position out, but it might be hard to find players who would agree to pay their own money to run something they can be booted out of...
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Re: Game 10

Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:59 am

The country of France seems like its benefitted from 2+ players controlling French positions in Game 10.

- King of France (running France)
- French Corsairs (running various bits and bobs / doing their own thing)
- Jacobites in Exile (adding another aspect into the mix - though, possibly, now a vacant position?)
- then there's the numerous sub-characters popping up in the newspaper, adding to the story and bringing new schemes into play.

Having the 'United Kingdom' in Game 10 split up into a group of positions (currently agreeing to work together as a team, it seems) appears to also be working well.

- United Dutch Province (as King)
- England
- Scotland

So maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea for Spain, either in this Game or in future games, to be managed by a team (though, probably, best if such a group are experienced players - and if Forum members - know who is who, so there is an added level of trust and understanding?)

Anyway, that's just my two pence worth cherry [oh. its a cherry. i thought is was a comedy bomb. bugger]
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Re: Game 10

Post by Deacon on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:49 pm


I don't think the Jacobites have been played in any recent games, have they?
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Re: Game 10

Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:40 pm

Game 10's 1700 game year was filled with their antics. Especially the young Prince of Wales - until he fell off his horse.

I assumed it was a position in play in Game 10.

But then again, I don't know who you play (if you play in Game 10) - so it might just be yourself, being sneaky and quiet, lulling England into a false sense of security before mounting an invasion!
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Re: Game 10

Post by Deacon on Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:05 pm


I played the Jacobites a bit in game 7 before I had to drop. Good and crazy times. Not really that interested in a repeat.

I do think if anybody wants to try it, they should think about picking the position up AFTER the Spanish Succession is resolved. To make a go of the position, you really will need notable support from the big Catholic powers, and they aren't going to pay attention to you while Spain is in play.

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Re: Game 10

Post by Stuart Bailey on Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:08 pm

Deacon wrote:
I played the Jacobites a bit in game 7 before I had to drop. Good and crazy times. Not really that interested in a repeat.

I do think if anybody wants to try it, they should think about picking the position up AFTER the Spanish Succession is resolved. To make a go of the position, you really will need notable support from the big Catholic powers, and they aren't going to pay attention to you while Spain is in play.


We have still got loads of Jacobites in G7!!.......King James Stuart has a fairly good grip on England and Ireland having done away with the Bank of England, sold the American colonies to Russia to raise some cash & get rid of a load of bloshy Puritan types, turned Parliament into a club for elderly Jacobites who need somewhere to take a nap, executed or driven into exile most of the people who do not agree with him inc King William & the Directors of the HWIC, and has Lord Godolphin and the Anglican Bishops trained sit, beg, roll over and play dead etc.

Currently his Britannic Majesty is trying to get the Scots to agree to bishops and the devine right of Kings but for some reason they have been "difficult" about the matter. King James blames the outside meddling of the Dutch & the House of Hapsburg. Who may have been a bit upset when King James chopped the heads of King William....AKA Stadtholder of the UDP & Prince Eugine of Savoy......some people can be so unreasonable over the smallest matter!).

The good news for the Jacobites is that their friend King Louis seems to have got the Hapsburgs and Dutch to stop "meddling" and King James can now get on with slaughtering Scots & Whigs again:D

The White Rose would seem to be well and truely blooming in G7 but it has had received quite a bit of help from France & Russia and even more from some really strange English Governments.
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Re: Game 10

Post by Deacon on Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:41 pm


Oh yes, I had intended a more middle of the road King James. I had gotten as far as getting the prime minister replaced when I had to drop.

The new king james has gone full autocrat. More power to the player. It's a much tougher road, but there is some personal satisfaction, no doubt, in burning parliament to the ground and turning the remains into a park for yourself.
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Re: Game 10

Post by Jason on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:10 pm

Deacon wrote:
Oh yes, I had intended a more middle of the road King James. I had gotten as far as getting the prime minister replaced when I had to drop.

The new king james has gone full autocrat. More power to the player. It's a much tougher road, but there is some personal satisfaction, no doubt, in burning parliament to the ground and turning the remains into a park for yourself.

Though to be fair, a more middle of the road James might not be bogged down in a war of attrition with haggis
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Re: Game 10

Post by Deacon on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:16 pm

True. My plan had been to sever the crown from the church of england and allow the bishops to elect the head of the church who would have to be signed off on by the king, and to move towards free religion.

I thought it was a plan that might work politically and diplomatically so I wouldn't be endlessly beholden to French troops. It would provide a path to reintegrate all the English holdings without letting religion be the key fracture line.

But, as an American, if one of my options was to burn congress to the ground, it would be very, VERY hard for me to not take that option... :D
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Re: Game 10

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The Rozwi Indaba - The Voice of Africa

* ON THE MARCH
Halting from the day's march, servants and attendants rushed to make ready the camp ground for the Changamire.
Water was brought forth from the stream close by, a hollowed out gourd offered to His Highness as he stood and
waited for the tasks completion.

"Wingombi," Changamire Dombo spoke to the Chief stood at his side, "Not long now till the lions are among
the gazelle. Then we will have some fun, won't we?"

Wingombi grunted agreement. "Our sources bring us news regularly. We have eyes reporting what they see
and the knowledge is pleasing, iNkosi."

The Changamire nodded in satisfaction, as his eyes roved over the guards set to protect his own area of the
camp site. Chief Lobengula Torwa entered the guarded ring, offered his salute to his ruler and reported.

"iNkosi," Lobengula began, riders from the Snake Eagle Regiment have returned. Today they had no important news,
so I ordered them to water and food before they came to you to report. Lwazi is with them, he and his Fish Eagles are
questioning them on the ground we will face tomorrow. Today, no further fireloques were found among the hunters of
these lands."

Changamire Dombo gave a pleased nod and told Chief Lobengula that he had done right. "These muskets they
buy from the Arab traders from the coast, they are not as reliable as the ones the Portuguese use, are they?" Both
Chiefs agreed. "A skilled hunter may benefit from such a weapon, but our regiments would not. Muskets are cumbersome
and need lit fire to make work, in a mist they fail. What use are they in anything other than perfect conditions. It is
impossible to even make two shots with muskets before we are upon the enemy with our spears. And the
veterans of my royal father's army tell that great waggons are needed to carry powder and shot when the
Whites use their muskets in war. Look at this land, try to drag the White Man's waggons through here and you
would get nowhere. And how would an ambush succeed if one of these muskets fired too soon - such weapons
are no match for our spears."

By now the servants and attendants had finished setting the Changamire's camp, his sleeping mat carrier came and
squatted at the heels of His Majesty. The youth now took up his position and took the empty water gourd from Dombo's
hand. The Changamire's shield attendant still stood behind his ruler, holding the cured hide shield aloft and shading the
Changamire from the last of the day's heat.

The two clan chiefs were silent for several minutes as they waited upon the Changamire. Finally, His Majesty spoke:
"Not long now. Then we will run amongst these unsuspecting prey. By the time the enemy raises its warbands the
days will be long and too hot to fight for long periods of time. We will be rested and ready. By then we will know where
to lay our traps and surprises, where to ambush and where to retreat back to while dragging the tired enemy in long
pursuit behind us. The pride of hunting lions will change to become like the stalking leopard - cunning and quick, stealthy
and deadly. First we capture Maung, then we bring the enemy out to battle. And crush them!"

* BINGA
Following his announcement by the Rozwi ambassador Mufaro Gezi, Chief Sanchez of the Indabade entered
into the presence of King Chewa Akani of Tonga, and after making his salutations and offered well wishes of the
Changamire, Chief Sanchez had this to say: "Changamire Dombo has decreed Tonga traders will now pay 5% tax
in Rozwi lands. This is as agreed with your royal self. Rozwi now awaits the lowering of taxes against our traders.
The Changamire then wishes to enter trade dealings with Tonga, to supply slaves to Rozwi."

Chief Sanchez paused a moment before continuing, drawing out the moment and waiting for the gathered
councillors to show signs of anticipation to what he next had to say. However, in this interim he was informed
that tariffs against Rozwi traders in Tonga have been reduced to 5% from 10%.

He then spoke again. "Changamire Dombo now leads an army of invasion into Ovambo lands. He means
to take those lands and the people that sit on Rozwi's border and bring them into the Karange Empire.
At the outcome of the successful campaign the Changamire wishes to meet with Princess Amanaki, to that
end I will escort the Princess to Khami - as you granted permission for me to do so, previously."

It was agreed this was so.

"It is the Changamire's wish that King Chewa Akani and his chiefs do not fear an invasion from Rozwi. The
Changamire wishes peaceful dealings between Rozwi and Tonga."

* CAPETOWN
"Now see here, Mister Dongo," Gouverneur Generaal van der Kaap Kolonie, Simon van de Stel, declared while
pointing out across the bay to the frigate laying at anchor."Here, sir, we have the fine ship 'Theodor', just arrived
from across the ocean from Batavia."

Mutumwa Dongo, Rozwi's ambassador to the Dutch Cape Colony quickly conferred with one of his companions,
both bouncing the Dutch into rapid translations of Bantu, Khoikhoi and the Khoisan languages. That done, both
gave the governor disinterested looks.

Seeing that Dutch naval advances were beyond the Africans, the tour continued around the settlement.
"Here we have various farming implements for use in the fields; spades, hoes, ploughs." Seeing that this
was more to the Africans liking, van Stel went on, "This, here, is a hammer, and lying over there are some nails."

Mutumwa launched into excited gesticulations, and spoke in harsh tones and with physical strikes aimed at an
ignorant youngster who had picked up the hammer and proceeded to bash nails into the dry ground as if he was
breaking nutshells between two stones.

"Yes, nails." Van Stel quickly moved the party on, aiming the group towards armed soldiers at rest nearby.

"This, here, is what we call a firelock." Taking the musket, van Stel passed the firearm to Mutumwa, who, showing
no interest, passed it onto his companion, who quickly pushed it into the hands of the untried youth, who then
proceeded to gaze down the barrel.

Seeing what was about to happen, van Stel reached out before the fool blew his own brains out. He managed to
grasp the gun but yanked it too late. When the smoke cleared the youth was on the floor, unhurt but clearly terrified.
Mutumwa and his companion set to beating the foolish youth who curled into a ball under the unleashing of his
latest punishment.

Simon van Stel picked himself up after having dived to safety to avoid the musket ball, saying to himself as he did;
"I think we'll leave the cannons out of the tour, for now...."

* INHAMBANE
The Dutch diplomat Eric van d'Linden has reached Inhambane on the coast.

"There is always something new out of Africa"

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