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Famine: Does it really add to the game?

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Re: Famine: Does it really add to the game?

Post by one grain of grain on Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:02 am

Great post Stuart, Fascinating info on Danzig's grain exports.

Start Bailey wrote:A Jewish Grain factor might make a interesting for God, King & Country character......if you dont mind Richard having free use of Cossacks, rival merchants, pirates and the inquesition to really spoil your day.

I think maybe this could be the answer if Richard was so inclined, In game you borrow money from Jewish money lenders at a % interest rate. Why not buy grain from an in game Jewish grain co-op at either the same terms in % in money or maybe for a claim on a % of next years grain crop or a combination of both money paid and future amount of grain, all to be negotiated with Richard. After all it really is only needed early on in game.

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Re: Famine: Does it really add to the game?

Post by Stuart Bailey on Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:34 pm

one grain of grain wrote:Great post Stuart, Fascinating info on Danzig's grain exports.

Start Bailey wrote:A Jewish Grain factor might make a interesting for God, King & Country character......if you dont mind Richard having free use of Cossacks, rival merchants, pirates and the inquesition to really spoil your day.

I think maybe this could be the answer if Richard was so inclined, In game you borrow money from Jewish money lenders at a % interest rate. Why not buy grain from an in game Jewish grain co-op at either the same terms in % in money or maybe for a claim on a % of next years grain crop or a combination of both money paid and future amount of grain, all to be negotiated with Richard. After all it really is only needed early on in game.

Cheers,

One Grain.


Dont think you can treat Jewish grain merchants in the same way as in game Jewish Money Lenders since these chaps had formal commissions/contracts from the monarch to supply the troops with grain/bread. In the same way as other contractors supplied merchants supplied weapons & clothing.

The important difference being that most weapons/uniforms were supplied prior to campaigns which contractors for monarch's like William of Orange were trying to buy and supply grain to a "city" of up to 250,000 men & horses which moved around a war zone.

The in game process which may be closer to what I thinking off is merc troop hire. In game some (generally NPC) area's like the Swiss Cantons and the Crimean Khanate habitually hire out troops......a boon to players planning a war.

If some area's naturally produced a grain surplus this would allow players option to buy grain either for a campaign on make up for a poor harvest. Looking at say a 250,000 max surplus from the Polish Commonwealth this is not going to be enough to save high population states like France & Spain from famine but option to import grain could save smaller positions from being wrecked by famine early in game and players dropping out.

Some positions like France, England, Dutch, Prussians start game with built in advantages like ability to produce dredgers, crack naval crews etc which means they tend to be played more often than others. If a few positions start with a grain surplus/export trade like the Polish Commonwealth positions, the Khanate, Morea, the Baltic States its a advantage but not a massive one compared say Franch or the UDP and may act as an incentive for people to try out these positions.

I also think the knowledge that some area's produce a grain surplus could shape some players policies in interesting and perhaps historical ways. Question to a fellow Bey of Rumelia ......If you know the Morea produces say 50,000 tons grain surplus in a given year are you more or less likely to start a war with Venice?

Does the knowledge that the Swedish Army is better supplied (from those Baltic States) mean the Czar is less likely to start the GNW? Or more likely because their grain surplus is too tempting ??

Stuart

PS Found the info on Historic amounts of grain exported by the Polish Commonwealth a bit worrying in view of the in game amounts of grain being used by the Spanish Military in G7 (over 60,000 tons a month). So unless you are willing to spend a long time on "farming" orders and/or ploughing up large area's of the pampas, cutting down trees etc in order to fill your grain Silo's you may wish to limit campaigning to area's you can "live of the land" but I dont think you should only do this on hostile lands if possible.

Still dont understand why you can "live of the land" in the Black Forest but not Normandy.

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