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Excess Grain

Post by Deacon on Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:50 pm


I got hardy grain early in game 8, and have tried to pass it around since I dislike the idea of famine/poor harvest making someone drop.

But, there is the issue of what to do with all the excess.

You can give a bit to the population to get growth. About 1.75%. Hardly game changing, but what the heck, that's about 20% over 10 years (if I and the game live that long!).

You can put a bit into investments, but not much.

Any other uses for it, other than letting it rot? I've got about 100M tons rotting this turn, and that will just go up each year as I replant more for lack of anything else to do with it.

Makes me think that Richard should reconsider this question.

It is basically free, and it shouldn't be, to plant excess grain. But on the flip side, there isn't much value in the excess either.

Along the lines we discussed in the famine thread, in a new game it might be cool if you could start with a grain store, and to make that more meaningful, it actually costs to plant your extra grain, but the extra grain has more use too. Couldn't really do with an existing game because you rapidly have huge supplies of excess grain, so you couldn't add value to that without impacting the game.
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Re: Excess Grain

Post by Deacon on Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:51 pm


Oh, and not to do in-game diplomacy, but I and many others have excess hardy grain, so if you don't in game 8, drop a note to me or others, I'm sure you can get hooked up.
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Re: Excess Grain

Post by Kingmaker on Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:25 pm

giving it to a needy nation will give you some honor, giving back to famers for next year helps and investing some on whiskey/voda etc helps as well


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Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:35 am

Religious Missions in Sub-Saharan Africa, Central / South America, Pacific islands, Asian islands. Keep shipping excess grain to these and see if it helps to gain the trust, and future conversion, of the heathen natives. Obviously a very long term scheme, but it might pay off if a player then decides to explore the regions and ends up meeting semi-westernised indigenous inhabitants.

Definitely seems a waste to let all that good grain go to waste, but finding a use for it is obviously a real head-scratcher.

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Re: Excess Grain

Post by count-de-monet on Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:36 am

Send some to Russia pretty please

Preferably to the Tsar first who can use it to leave a trail for me to find him !
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Post by Ardagor on Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:55 am

It is a problem and not very logical. Have a about 30 million tons hardy grain and not a clue about what to do with most of it. Nations should have some sort of limit in my opinion. "Your nation have X amount of available farmland and can plant X amount of extra grain or some such".

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Post by jamesbond007 on Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:57 pm

I wish i had 30 million tons of grain spare. I am swimming in it. I could feed the whole of Russia, China and the Rozwi.

Oh well. Better than going the other way and not enough.
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Post by Jason on Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:22 pm

I think you can use rotten grain to make bricks? Sure that is in one of the supplements.

But other than shipping large amounts around your empire, so that there is always a supply ready to give to a nation...not sure I can offer much in the way of ideas...
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Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:30 pm

jamesbond007 wrote:and the Rozwi.

There isn't many of 'us', to be honest. The farming in that part of Africa is pretty poor, historically, until colonial governments took over, so Rozwi only has a population the same as a small to medium European country. It is one of the areas I'm trying to build up, in game 10, hopefully with the aid of Portugal's Mozambique territory and cooperative farming education between the two states. I'm not that interested in military technology improvements, but would love plenty of farming advances... cat

Jason wrote:I think you can use rotten grain to make bricks? Sure that is in one of the supplements.

Can't say I can remember that one, myself.

Maybe get an appropriate academy to research biofuels. If grain can be used to make alcohol, see if they can find a use for it as a fuel substitute as well. Obviously it is flammable, I believe, so can it be used to fuel a light source?
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Post by Jason on Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:33 pm

Rozwi_Game10 wrote:
Jason wrote:I think you can use rotten grain to make bricks? Sure that is in one of the supplements.

Can't say I can remember that one, myself.

Maybe get an appropriate academy to research biofuels. If grain can be used to make alcohol, see if they can find a use for it as a fuel substitute as well. Obviously it is flammable, I believe, so can it be used to fuel a light source?

Yep, got it wrong Smile not bricks but it can become fuel! From "Glory and Argument"

Retained rotten grain, if dried out in the sunshine, can be made into brickets for use as fuel in ovens. Each 10,000 tons of grain provides 1,000 tons of usable fuel bricks for ovens. Drying out grain takes a month in good weather (if done when the weather turns wet in any manner and the grain ordered dried that month shall be made utterly useless
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Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:21 am

Can't say the grain fuel bricks is something that I remember reading. So I'll have to go through the books again just in case there's something useful I've missed.

I wonder if the Rozwi can corner the market in rotten grain fuel bricks? Send your rotten grain to Rozwi, we've nothing better to do than sit and watch grain dry hard all day, and the weather is always baking hot. Competitive fees. Though shipping is through an, insured, third party.
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Post by The Real Louis on Wed May 03, 2017 9:47 am

Once these levels of plenitude are reached I'd opt for storing whatever's considered efficient for future calls and then NOT planting the extra grain, so that the volumes dial down over time. Just a thought.
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Re: Excess Grain

Post by revvaughan on Thu May 04, 2017 4:38 pm

I believe I am correct in stating that the United Kingdom in Game 8 has around 15 million tons in silos. It will certainly come in handy this year as we have a poor harvest. I certainly wish I could transport just a small portion to Game 10, but I don't think that is allowed lol!

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Re: Excess Grain

Post by Deacon on Thu May 04, 2017 4:53 pm


Only 15 million tons? Piker.
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Post by revvaughan on Thu May 04, 2017 5:29 pm

The game is indeed yet young! LOL
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Post by Deacon on Thu May 04, 2017 6:00 pm


My secondary harvest (the extra grain) in Spain failed. I still got over half a billion tons.

I think I'm going to investigate turning it into paving material. My road to hell needs some work.

Nobody should be dropping game 8 because of grain.

If you're thinking about a game to join, come to game 8, we have grain and that's only a hop and a skip to beer!


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Post by jamesbond007 on Fri May 05, 2017 10:19 am

Deacon wrote:
My secondary harvest (the extra grain) in Spain failed. I still got over half a billion tons.

I think I'm going to investigate turning it into paving material. My road to hell needs some work.

Nobody should be dropping game 8 because of grain.

If you're thinking about a game to join, come to game 8, we have grain and that's only a hop and a skip to beer!



Half a billion tons.! Peanuts, I got double that. I keep large amounts of spare grain in silos and let most of the rest rot away.
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Re: Excess Grain

Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Fri May 05, 2017 11:33 am

Just spent a half-hour looking up grain usage on google. There might be a few ideas from the following that people could use:



Brewing/Distilling investment

Livestock feed

fuel blocks for ovens

grain mill sweepings, and, or, beer wastes can be used to feed/grow fish (as in commercial investment)

incorporated into soaps, acting as an exfoliating or soothing agent for problematic skin or insect bites (this is based on historic practice from the C16th onwards, though soap production was specialised, for the rich, or home-made by the poor, and bathing or cleaning wasn't as important as we consider it today)

Rice chaff can be used as a fertiliser and soil improvement material - which, possibly, was known historically (as in, this needs further research by players)

Grain husk is biodegradable and may be composted (as in, Farming Academy looking into methods of soil improvement? though this practice was known to the Romans)
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Re: Excess Grain

Post by Deacon on Fri May 05, 2017 5:37 pm


That was half a billion tons from just my 'failed' harvest. I have more than that.


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Re: Excess Grain

Post by J Flower on Fri May 05, 2017 7:12 pm

Giving too much grain away can actually damage your EH, because you end up undercutting your own farmers who are trying to sell on the open market as well.
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Re: Excess Grain

Post by Deacon on Fri May 05, 2017 8:33 pm


Oh yes, giving away too much excess grain is a great way to bankrupt all your farmers and destroy your economy. Don't do that!

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