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Weapons Tech

Post by tkolter on Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:23 am

I have an important question is it assumed older tech commonly known is available for example say I want to give a unit a sling and iron ammunition for it, iron balls, of historical weights would that be assumed available to most cultures where it is or was in use or likely was until better weapons came along like war bows?

Same for armor I would think padded and natural materials armor or armor not complicated to make could be worked up, not plate mail, but ask some crafters to whip up something should be sensible to expect an example leather with iron coin scales and a simple skullcap could be not to hard to whip up but wanted to ask about that to.
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Re: Weapons Tech

Post by Jason on Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:09 am

It's not always safe to assume that an older technology is instantly available to a nation, and even if it is you can't be sure of the cost.

Shields are an example. One of the supplements (off top of my head can't remember which one) states that if you're a nation that still uses shields, they cost 1 each to manufacture. However if you're a nation that has abandoned them (say a Western European power) they cost 10 each to manufacture. The argument is that the skills to easily manufacture them have been lost and there is a lot of sense to that-how many modern firearm manufacturers could turn round and turn out a matchlock? How many modern blacksmiths could make s broadsword? (very few I can assure you).

But if you ask Richard, explain the weapon(s) to him, he'll either let you know they are available to you and the costs or might say it is a research breakthrough. I have played China in some games and actually had to research quite a few technologies from earlier times that had been "lost".
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Re: Weapons Tech

Post by Rozwi_Game10 on Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:11 pm

Yep, I agree with what Jason says, above.

I would imagine that you'll be told that if you want to make a different pattern shield, for example, it requires the work to be done at an army camp, and any missile weapon construction or body armour needs to be carried out at an arsenal.

Rozwi wanted to change the pattern of its shield construction. I fully explained and drew out a design pattern, the work wasn't revolutionary or difficult, but the method of using the shield - as a weapon of distraction as well as for defence - was revolutionary enough, in the manner of Tribal thinking, that I was told it would require researching into at an academy. Similar to what Jason has said about having to research lost art-forms after they've gone out of practice.

I'd think you'd be okay with slings, after-all a sling is a sling and is still in use today. But the body armour may need to be researched, as you'd be allowed a basic pattern to start with, but, obviously, to improve something it'll need research at an academy, even if its a very quick technological and cultural breakthrough.
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Re: Weapons Tech

Post by tkolter on Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:12 pm

Well the GM is supposed to answer I thought but this is what I was curious about.

The two main things I want to make is an armor that was still in use in many parts of the world because it worked Gambeson armor what you would know as cloth padded armor.

At the end it could stop a longbow arrow at very close range.

I figure add a helmet which would be padded and leather with the normal shield it would offer against the bulk of expected regional weapons ample protection for my troops and be not too expensive, now lances and bullets would be an issue, but well I can't give African hot weather troops metal armor. And such armor isn't even for the period odd and it works well and should be easy for clothing makers to craft.

And slings with iron ball ammunition as an option for my levee.

See my plans aren't complicated armor and make sure save for specific unit all troops have a ranged and close combat option with armor as above with weapon additions and there will be drilling done to eventually have a formidable regionally impressive army. Slings might be a good secondary ranged weapon for say swordsman troops to carry with war javelins might as well have flexibility. Of course not all units will be like that.

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Re: Weapons Tech

Post by Jason on Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:19 am

An interesting idea Smile One of my hobbies is historical re-enactment, early medieval period, so have worn a gambeson quite a lot. You're right, they are an effective defence when thick enough, esp if you are fighting medieval period weaponry. (oh, bonus points for using an clip involving Mike Loades Smile )

Something to bear in mind though. A heavy duty, thick gambeson is actually remarkably hot to wear, even if just marching, let alone fighting in hot climes. Not as much as wearing platemail or chainmail but Smile
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Re: Weapons Tech

Post by Rozwi_Game10 Yesterday at 11:56 pm

The only armour I got to wear while reenacting was a tin hat! And lugging around .303 magazines for the Bren gun (don't 'hit the dirt' and land on such magazines, it hurts).



Gambeson armour. As Jason mentions, wearing such might prove too hot to use in Africa. The GM will probably green-light the creation and issuing of such equipment, but that the troops wearing such might develop a Sick List status much quicker than usual may be the price to pay. It might be a case that an adviser needs to be consulted and an appropriate academy be ordered to look into effects of gambeson armour being issued. And, possibly, can they improve upon the design to aid its use in hot climes?

Cool idea though. If you'd all pardon the expression.

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Re: Weapons Tech

Post by Stuart Bailey Today at 12:35 pm

Not sure if its any help but the DBR Army list for Abyssinian Armies 1494 AD to 1700 AD (published by the Wargames Research Group) says that Abyssinian shields were round and were prized by those who had them. Also that those men who had distinguished themselves in battle had shields embellished with silver or Lions mane. The fact that the Shotel sword of the area was designed to hook over shields would also seem to back up the shield remaining a popular defensive weapon in area were the majority of fighting was not with firearms.

According to this list up just under a 1/3 of the foot in a Abyssinian Army could have firearms (mostly matchlocks), the rest being swordsmen, archers, light skirmishing Javalinmen and the most common troop type or Abyssinian fighter on foot was equiped with a stabbing spear, two or more javalins with the better equiped men having a large round hide shield.

It should probably be noted that firearms and artillery were introduced by a Portugese expedition in 1541-43 who stayed and took local wives
and these troops were famously aggressive. Tactic's tended to to be one volley at very close range followed by a dash to close combat.....more Highland Charge than Dutch platoon fire tactics!

Ref the Cavalry the majority were Shawa and Galla light horse (and famous slave raiders) who riding scubby ponies with simple saddles and the toe loop rather than proper stirrups. Equiped with spears and Javalins a percentage also had shields and some Nobles had mail armour.

From 1636 we have evidence that the Emperor also has a black horse regiment who were Negro Slaves of the Household who large Arab Horses and equipment were imported from Sinnar. They wore black plumed copper helmets, mail shirts and their horses has quilted barding and were armed with a 14 lance and an axe. I assume quilted armour would also be worn under the humans mail.

From this info it seems that in 1700 Abyssinia could produce or import all its war gear at least in limited amounts (Richard often says yes your Arsenal can produce it......but only 700 a month). And its major military problem was the crap quality of its horses compared to some of its possible foes. Unless you import loads of Arab mounts taking on the Mamlukes on the flat is going to hurt!

The other issue (which Richard may have spared you) is that your best Cavalry look very much like a local verion of the Manlukes or the Sipahis of the Porte. In theory Slave Troops should be loyal and devoted to the person of their beloved Emperor........ Suspect


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