Game 3 - Austrian Succession

The death of the Holy Roman Emperor Karl without a direct male Hapsburg successor except for his older brother the King of Spain may make this game very interesting.

The Hanoverian player thinks the Archduchess Maria Theresa, the historical ruler is in place, but never born in the game.

As she is my niece through marriage I would take a very dim view of any one trying any thing on with said country

so speaks The Tsar!!

Footnote :
she is born along with a sister who not many know about. The late Wife of the HRE was my wifes sister ....

My late brother's Ministers must honour his promise to me when I granted him my titles of Archduke and King of Hungary, mongst others over 20 years ago - handy playing for so long!

If he hasn't a male heir King Joseph reclaims his titles!

I am not in Game 3 but this sounds like it could get interesting.

I think potentially you will see develop one of the very few downsides to the game. For every long standing player in any version there are probably five with limited playing time. From my experience positions can generate a great deal of turnaround in players.

In some areas this leads to an unfair impact on the longstanding players because deals, alliances, treaties signed many game years ago, or by departed players become almost worthless. The number of times deals are simply allowed to be ignored ! Arguing against myself, I do agree that sometimes it is unfair to "punish" a new player for the actions of his predecessor, or for newer players to understand the political scene when the original deal was agreed and they werent in the game. It keeps some balance in the game and certainly keeps it interesting. All feels a little too tough on the long standing player though to me.

Oh well, I guess this dispute is likely to go one way......I hope the King of Spain is strong enough to exert his claim militarily. I look forward to updates

speaking as a player I bet Richard would like to see a written version of said promise...

Also I cannot see ther GM allowing 2 large states/positions like this join togther, he may have you give Spain or some thing similar.

Either way it will be interesting There will be a lot of support for Austria, Poland , Russia, Saxony-Wuutermburg, England and possibly Sweden may back the daughter as THE heir. There again some compromise of a proposed marriage between the King of Spain son and the daugther of the HRE may settle this?

I know where Russia stands in all this BTW

Kingmaker does make a very good point about two large states joining together. No matter what the supporting documentation this potentially really upsets the balance of power.

What year is game 3 in, maybe the traditional powers of early 18th centruy (historically) have ebbed and flowed.

Personally I wouldnt trust Russia - call his bluff....FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

it is currently July 1734

The Tsar is a very honourable man, if you disagree get your sword out he will obligue you...

Plus Spain and Austria have been very good friends of Imperial Russia

The Germanic/Austrian Hapsburg hereditary titles and lands are passed through the Hapsburg male line of succession (Salic law), as reafirmed with my brother when, over two decades ago, I nominated Karl as my successor to my numerous titles, which included Archduke of Austria and King of Hungary. This was a proviso to my acceptance of the Kingdoms of Castille and Aragon.

Hungary, which has an elective kingship, accepted the house of Hapsburg as hereditary kings in the male line, without election in 1687, but has not renounced Salic inheritance. The Emperor-King agreed that if the Hapsburg male line became extinct, Hungary would once again have an elective monarchy. This is the rule in the Kingdom of Bohemia too.

My father, Leopold I and brother Karl and I did not sign a succession pact (Pactum mutuae successionis) to specify that females could succeed, in order to attempt to circumvent Salic law.

Failing to follow Salic law, as is required with the Germanic states, will therefore lead to the disintegration of the Austrian Hapsburg Empire, a prospect the Austrian diet and nobility will avoid by blocking any female succession! That's my plan anyway!

We Dutch just want to sell something to someone... You know we are just looking to make some coin in Game III.

I foresee an interesting game ahead.....Russia may just wait on the side lines for the left overs....

I bekieve Hanocer to be the ex Shah from game 3 as he appeared about the same time he disappeared. The shah was suffering from a lack of funds, hence the new players decision to allow Russian and Spainin traders back in and allow trading again.

As to who is doing what Imperial Russia is always ready for war, just need to find out wants to try it on next

RULING BY THE REICHSKAMMERGERICHT – IMPERIAL LEGAL COURT OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. KING JOSEPH CONFIRMED AS THE HEIR TO THE KINGDOMS OF BOHEMIA AND HUNGARY!!.

“Under well established and ancient law the male line is not extinct but is continued in the person of King Joseph of Spain. This means that under Imperial law King Joseph does hold the legal claim to the titles of King of Bohemia (and King of Hungary), and this is the judgement of this court”.

Bohemia and Hungary will be separated from the Hapsburg Empire (Archduchy of Austria) if the proposed female accession is confirmed. All gone too smoothly for my liking! I expect trouble from certain nations but won't name names as yet!

Turn sent back today, too long to wait.

Cheers

King Joseph of Spain confirmed as King-elect by the Hungarian Diet. Austrian officials still have administrative control over Hungary, but this will be dismantled over the next few turns!

yes its all going on wondre what Hanover will do, renouce his faith or not?