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    Post by Stuart Bailey Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:37 pm

    Papa Clement wrote:
    Stuart Bailey wrote:Ref the ever interesting role of brown water campaigns up and down the Danube.  As well as the Danube Delta the other major problem area blocking navigation on the lower Danube is the Iron Gates gorge.  Like the Delta any Ottoman Government which puts in the time effort and trouble to make the  Iron Gates suitable for navigation is very unlikely to neglect the defence of the Danube, Straits of Kerch or the seaward approaches to Constantinople so any outsiders thinking about mounting a naval attack up the Danube as outlined by Papa Clement had better pay some really big bribes or hold blackmail worthy material on the the Grand Vizier/Sultan before they try and humiliate Ottoman authority by foreign sailing warships past Constantinople or up the Danube.

    Subtle as ever, Stuart!  In my outline I did state that the feasibility of such a plan depended in part on whether various Ottoman positions had been active and their attitude.  However, it would be somewhat naive to imagine that an inactive Ottoman position would block such an attack.  Indeed, it would likely be of benefit to the Ottomans if they were looking at some point to recover lands only recently (in game terms) lost to Austria.  They may prefer to not officially give permission, but not impede any progress of such a fleet, thereby if the expedition was a success they could deny their involvement, or later join in by declaring war on Austria themselves.  Bribery or blackmail may be the method of choice for some players, but not at all necessary when the proposed action coincides with Ottoman self-interest or the preservation of good trade relations with 3rd parties.

    It was precisely to maintain those good trade relations that the Ottomans did not tend to block ships from sailing through the Dardenelles.

    Clearly if such a campaign had the (official or unofficial) support of the Ottomans then the supply position for any invading force would be made much easier.  Indeed, it could be a good money maker for the Ottomans, hiring the invader artillery or other troops, ensuring they were well supplied, etc.  It is a shame that Ottoman positions do not seem to be played as frequently in games as some European positions since it would change the dynamic for Austria considerably.  It would certainly be interesting to see more game campaigns in which barges, galleys, bomb ketches and other small river craft played a much more important part than ships of the line and frigates.


    Agree 100% that a game of Glori needs Ottomans to give it a more historic balance and without them Russia, Austria, Venice and the other Italian states inc Spain, Persia and if played the Polish positions get a easier ride and fewer worries and concerns than was historic.

    Somewhat confused by the fact that so many troops were local Cossacks and Grenzer types who got paid mostly with lands and tax concessions to guard frontier think even at the height of the Great Northern War, War of the Spanish succession, Persian invasion of India around a third of the Russian and Austrian military were still in the south and the east. While in games of Glori with no active Ottomans you sometimes see the one man and his dog approach and the whole Russian, Austrian and Persian armies a very, very long way way from the Ottoman frontier.

    Even if they had really good relations with the Sultan because these frontiers were so "miltarized" on both sides if you had done this in the C18 it would have been a open invite to the Serbs, Tarters etc, etc on the Ottoman side to start raiding their historic foes for cattle and slaves. And the ministers of the Czar and the Emperor would have been buried in complaints and perhaps even local revolts about them not going their job and breaking the basic agreement as to why the Hapsburgs were Kings of Hungary and Croatia in the first place - to provide protection from the Ottomans.

    Notice in RIB if you over-recruit and take too many people off the land this can either famine in own province or a reduction in food supplies to Rome. Probably over complex but if military strength on frontier drops below a certain level feel perhaps this should lead to low level raiding and complaints.

    Also agree that the Ottomans allowed ships to transit the Dardenelles and the Bosporous and visit Constantinople etc but they had to stop and pay a toll. Also this was either individual merchant shipping and sometimes merchant fleets escorted by war ships for anti pirate protection. How the Ottomans would have reacted to a full war fleet sailing through their waters is unknown but usual position of Ottoman NPC's is normally a "No". Certainly in G7 the Ottoman NPC have allowed merchants to use the Red Sea canal but banned the transit of war ships.

    Player character Ottomans tend to be a lot more flexible but if you allow a load of infidals to transit without so much as a bye your leave expect to get it in the neck from religious athorities, Sultan etc, etc and suffer a major loss of honour due to being shown up as weak, feeble etc etc. Partly due to this and partly due to a healthy paranoid approach to life this humiliation never happened in G2 as my lads shot first and would worry about after effects later. At sea its was different as harbour pilots would check first and a warning shot would be fired if still unhappy before all hell broke out. But on land or on the Danube it was a whole different story.

    Though it has to be admitted that an unfortunate side effect of this was Richard deciding to cause major diplomatic incidents by having various Russian, Austrian and Venetian commanders as diectionally challenged and either taking short cuts across Ottoman territory or just a really odd route home. One Venetian commander marched across Rumelia rather than sail round it and got into a running fight due to the "by sea" part of his orders getting missed by player but it remains a total mystery to this day to both the Czar and Ottomans why a 45,000 strong Russian Army heading home from god knows where got off hired merchant ships in Sinope and started to march into the Empire getting into a running fight with Ottoman mounted riflemen who skirmished with it all the way while screaming Russian invasion. It is thought that two locations in Russia have the same name and the Russian "invasion" may have been caused by the Russians trying to get to some one horse fly speck east of the Urals rather than a major Russian city.

    That and the very unexpected and rapid destruction of a Russian Army in Anatolia due to no more than skirmishing and starvation had of course nothing at all to do with the chaos Gods on Mount Agema deciding that the Czar and the three active Ottomans were getting much too comfortable and needed a major diplomatic incident to deal with.

    If anyone is planning on playing either a Ottoman or wants to help their campaigns against Austria historically they got help from the French and their Hungarian rebel allies got help from the French and the Poles (family links). In G2 the Ottoman Rumelian Army had a French exile as its inspector General of Artillery and Fortresses and one of its leading commanders (later elected King of Hungary) was a Hungarian Protestant exile. Not sure if this had any game effect but some fortresses did seem to be more willing to surrender to a French General than an Albanian. Though this may have been due to earlier attempts to use "Turkish terror" tactics from the Agema table top rules and use them in Glori which did not seem to go that well.
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    Post by Nexus06 Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:47 pm

    Very interesting guys

    I was doing some background check. I've started playing 11 may 2015. In game time war 1702/06 inbox turn.

    I'm expecting to receive by late April 2023 turn 1709/07

    looks like we are playing at 1:1 timing with real life, aren't we?
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    Post by Goldstar Wed May 31, 2023 10:02 pm

    Game 9 July 1709,
    Apologies for the lack of updates.
    1. Having illegally invaded Danzig a few months ago the Swedes have the gall to suggest they are there to defend the city from a Russian Invasion. The local administration seems apathetic to their presence, watching passively as the Swedes trample over Polish sovereignty. The Swedes have demanded the release of their agents and 300 pro-Swedish rioters, even pursuing a Polish army to do so.
    2. Lord Fong continues his war of conquest in Borneo under the guise of an anti-piracy campaign, the Sultan of Brunei is to Kowtow to Fong or risk being crushed under the heal of the celestial Emperor’s forces.
    3. Prince Yea has suffered a major crop failure and has asked Lord Fong for grain, the court astrologer denies that he gave Prince Yea an incorrect prediction on the harvest.
    4. The Tsarevich has arrived in France to meet King Louis XIV, leaving Russia immediately after his father arrived back in the Holy motherland. Tsar Peter and his female companion where the unwilling guests of King Charles XII when they tried to transit Swedish territory after a lengthy visit to the west The Tsar is known to be less than amused by his treatment at the hands of the Swedes and is inspecting his border defences.
    5. Using diplomatic language Elector Augustus of Saxony, King of Poland (In name at least) has called upon the Swedes to leave Danzig and asked his allies to support him.
    6. The Emperor has been doing a tour of Hungary with his loyal Palatine, in a rather transparent effort to rally the support of the Hungarian nobility, his daughter has been doing the same in Bohemia having set up court in Prague.
    7. Austrian Ambassadors in Dresden and Warsaw query if Austrian troops can enter Poland to defend it from Swedish aggression? Whilst their colleges in Stuttgart try to recruit more mercenaries for the Emperor’s armies. An Austrian delegation in Lvov looking for the Cossack Hetman have been caught up in a Peasant uprising and captured by rebels, surely nothing to do with the Swedes.
    8. King Charles XII and his bride who happens to be the mother of the current Duke of Courland have called upon the young Duke in Mittau, The King has apparently brought an army to defend Courland from Russian aggression. Who needs enemies with friends like the Swedes.
    9. The Cardinal-General has been unusually quiet in the last few months, which given the Cardinal’s dark talents for intrigue is a worrying situation for the rulers of Europe. Hopefully he is fully engaged in his efforts to improve the Spanish economy, but his ambassador in Russia still finds time to stir the pot in Poland.
    10. With his Sacred Majesty currently beating the drum around Hungary it fell to his son Joseph, King to Germany to deliver an ultimatum to the Swedes, they must declare their intensions to leave Danzig by October or face the consequences.

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    Post by Nexus06 Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:01 am

    Thanks Goldstar,

    Apart from everything, your summary is exceptionally useful to keep track of the events, plus i like the style of it Smile

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    Post by Stuart Bailey Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:20 am

    Nexus06 wrote:Thanks Goldstar,

    Apart from everything, your summary is exceptionally useful to keep track of the events, plus i like the style of it Smile

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    Swedes, Prussians and Russians invade Poland in G7 and suddenly everyone is having a go.

    G7 & G9 also share a cute, friendly and loveable Spanish Habsburg Monarchy guided by a wise and kindly Cardinal.

    However at least the "enlightened" G9 has avoided going down the G7 paths of plagues of Jacobites and the French Warlord picking off the neighbours one at a time. Though guess that could always change.
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    Post by count-de-monet Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:51 am

    French Warlord picking off neighbours?.....well not picked up in the summary but my good friend and ally Bavaria have some explaining to do next month ! French ambassador kidnapped and physical mutilation threatened within the HRE.

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    Post by Goldstar Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:25 am

    The fact that I’m defending Danzig in Game 10 and may soon be besieging it in game 9, all in the name of King Augustus is quite amusing. King Louis XIV in game 9 is a radical liberal, the serfs of France are freed, Protestants are tolerated and land reform has been enacted. He’s not even crossed the Rhine yet, although Flanders has been quietly pocketed. Clearly lawless Bavaria needs to be brought under the benevolent administration of the HRE to restore order.
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    Post by Jason2 Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:07 pm

    An excellent summary Goldstar, many thanks for it Smile  esp as when I first read it I hadn't had a chance to open the turn papers so your summary gave me an idea of what to expect Smile

    One minor point Smile  Lord Fong is operating in support of Prince Yea in regards Brunei, Lord Fong didn't start the fire Wink


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    Post by Jason2 Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:09 pm

    Goldstar wrote:The fact that I’m defending Danzig in Game 10 and may soon be besieging it in game 9, all in the name of King Augustus is quite amusing.  King Louis XIV in game 9 is a radical liberal, the serfs of France are freed, Protestants are tolerated and land reform has been enacted.  He’s not even crossed the Rhine yet, although Flanders has been quietly pocketed.  Clearly lawless Bavaria needs to be brought under the benevolent administration of the HRE to restore order.

    King Louis in G9 is a wonderful, civilised chap and a model for other king Louis's Smile

    The fact he has sought the friendship of the Great Lord Fong and treated him with the greatest respect has nothing to do with my view of him Smile

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    Post by Goldstar Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:58 pm

    My apologies to Lord Fong the internal politics of the Manchu Emperor can seem somewhat opaque to the uncultured barbarians. Although if you employ a shady henchman called Fu Manchu, you can’t blame people for concluding that world domination is on your agenda.
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    Post by Jason2 Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:15 pm

    Goldstar wrote:My apologies to Lord Fong the internal politics of the Manchu Emperor can seem somewhat opaque to the uncultured barbarians.  Although if you employ a shady henchman called Fu Manchu, you can’t blame people for concluding that world domination is on your agenda.

    Oh, the Eternal Empire and the Centre of Civilisation understands that its complexities make it difficult for simple Barbarians to always understand its doings Smile  so are grateful for the efforts of Goldstar in trying to explain them.

    As to the good Doctor, just be grateful that in G9 he remains a simple diplomatic and not, as in Scramble, head of a secret society devising weapons of mass destruction to punish the Barbarians Wink

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    Post by Nexus06 Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:17 pm

    Game 9 is really a good game to be, at least in my opinion. We have an Emperor who is at the top of the honor league, an aspiring King of France, a masterminded Cardinal, a warring King of Sweden, and the world is at his fullest since we even have two imperial Chinese positions active, not to mention the nasty (?) turks!

    Only frustration I have is that I am not able to tell a nice story over the cossack expedition in Far East since... they all die horribly. It's like "songs of ice and fire" but with Russian cossacks and no dragons. Well maybe this is bad for me because I'd love to write their glorious story, but a blessing to al other players who do not have to suffer reading it Very Happy

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    Post by Jason2 Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:12 pm

    Don't worry Nexus, am sure we'll read of your successes soon Smile Just please don't give us a "red wedding"

    But let us be honest, what with not only Lord Fong but also Prince Yea, G8 is a truly enlightened game

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    Post by Goldstar Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:27 am

    August 1709

    1. The Combined Chinese Fleets of Prince Yea and Lord Fong have broken the defences of the Sultan of Brunei and have demanded his surrender. The Spanish built Lineships of Lord Yea’s fleet performing notably better than the more traditional Chinese ships of Lord Fong’s fleet. Was this a localised anti-piracy campaign or the start of a Chinese effort to bring SE Asia under their sway, should the Dutch and Spaniards be worried for their Eastern Colonies.
    2. The Tsarevich Alexis is visiting France and clearly has his eye on the young eligible ladies at the court of Versailles, some of the Ladies being more enthusiastic than others. The Tsar and Russia are praised by King Louis XIV and a Russia Brigade has joined the French Army.
    3. Alexis is something of a philosopher Prince and having tired of the gaudy delights of Versailles, he asked to visit the local peasantry. The Tsarevich’s liberal side was apparent when he compared the lot of the freed and landed French Peasantry with the status of the freed Serfs in Russia. How the soft hearted liberal Alexis will act when he becomes the Supreme Autocrat of all the Russias will certainly be interesting.
    4. Austria has secure more mercenaries from Wuttemburg, but is scoring the Reich states to try and recruit more troops for the Emperor’s armies, nothing to do with the current situation in Poland, of course.
    5. The French delegation that was Kidnapped in Munich last month has been freed, a ransom has apparently been paid, either by France or by Bavaria which probably feared King Louis might intervene directly.
    6. Austria has built a river port at Ulm, but King Joseph has discovered the Upper Danube is less than easy to manoeuvre, is this part of a plan to link the Danube and the Rhine?
    7. For the 3rd year in a row a member of the Imperial family has arrived in Pilsen to open the Reich Beer festival. It was Archduchess Maria Elisabeth turn this year, 2 women approached the Archduchess claiming to have bore bastards to King Augustus when he visited the city some years ago, (I vaguely remember this happening about eight years ago, Richard notes everything).
    8. Having returned to Vienna the Emperor lists the recent history of Swedish aggression in Poland and demands they withdraw from Danzig.
    9. The Saxon-Polish position is confused the Saxon ambassador in Vienna asks for Austrian and Russian troops to evict the Swedes from Danzig seemingly with the support of the Polish ambassador. The Royal Steward in Warsaw however states that Poland can defend itself and no outside help is needed.
    10. King Charles XII holds a banquet in Mittau to honour his step-son the Duke of Courland, he announces Swedish troops will be withdrawing from Danzig having achieved their aim? Queen Elisabeth Sophia, Charles Prussian bride whispers vto her son he should hold his self in readiness as King Augustus won’t live forever? Is the Scottish play being performed in Mittau?
    11. In Lviv the Austrian delegation has been freed by a forces of Cossacks, the rebellious peasants having been hanged on the spot. A note was found ordering the murder of the Austrians. Is a 3rd party trying to force Sweden and Austria into war? Who would gain and do we know anyone who would indulge such a cynical and underhand false flag operation.
    12. The Bishop of Cartagena has left Warsaw having previously been the Spanish Ambassador.
    13. In a grand and lavish ceremony in Pamplona the Infanta Christiana was presented with the crown of Navarre to the loud acclaim of the local nobility. The pious Cardinal-General attended to the Infanta as ever.
    14. Genoa rejects a bilateral treaty with Spain, suggesting that the Papal States and Austria should also be included.
    15. Impressed by the performance of the new Spanish Built warships the celestial Emperor in Peking hints that an major Chinese naval building program may be in the offing.
    16. The Swedish Army finds itself unable to withdraw from Danzig at once as they apparently lack the necessary shipping.

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    Post by Nexus06 Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:46 pm

    Thanks Goldstar,

    I hope you’ve liked Tsarevic part. I’ve worked hard on that piece. In theory Tsarevich should have stopped for the beer festival before going to Paris, but i must have messed out orders and didn’t happen.

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    Post by Goldstar Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:24 pm

    Nexus06 wrote:Thanks Goldstar,

    I hope you’ve liked Tsarevic part. I’ve worked hard on that piece. In theory Tsarevich should have stopped for the beer festival before going to Paris, but i must have messed out orders and didn’t happen.

    I think the Beer and Fox tossing festival would have been too boorish for the Tsarevichs refined tastes, more of his fathers cup of tea perhaps. Alexis would be more interested in the paternal despotism practiced amongst the Emperor’s peasantry.
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    Post by Jason2 Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:30 pm

    Thanks for, as ever, a great summary Goldstar Smile

    I think the newspaper reports are a bit unfair on traditional Chinese shipbuilding and I will put my hands up, I suspect the real reason Lord Fong's ships didn't do so well at Brunei is more down to his clerk wording the attack order very badly

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    Post by Nexus06 Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:27 am

    Goldstar wrote:
    Nexus06 wrote:Thanks Goldstar,

    I hope you’ve liked Tsarevic part. I’ve worked hard on that piece. In theory Tsarevich should have stopped for the beer festival before going to Paris, but i must have messed out orders and didn’t happen.

    I think the Beer and Fox tossing festival would have been too boorish for the Tsarevichs refined tastes, more of his fathers cup of tea perhaps.  Alexis would be more interested in the paternal despotism practiced amongst the Emperor’s peasantry.

    Well, I must agree with you, and honestly the guy is worrying me a bit. His liberal views tend to be too influenced on those French and Dutch philosophers. I know boys of his age often indulge in...philosophy, but will the fluffy hand of the Tsarevich be able to hold a firm grip on Russia once his father will be departed? Next tour I will send him in tartary, so he will appreciate more the opportunities offered by Tsar's paternal approach on his subjects Wink
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    Post by Nexus06 Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:42 am

    Jason2 wrote:Thanks for, as ever, a great summary Goldstar Smile

    I think the newspaper reports are a bit unfair on traditional Chinese shipbuilding and I will put my hands up, I suspect the real reason Lord Fong's ships didn't do so well at Brunei is more down to his clerk wording the attack order very badly

    If I may offer a token advice to the mighty lord Fong, you could look for Shi Shilun. He is the son of Admiral She Lang who brought Taiwan under imperial rule few years before the game begins. His father was a reputed admiral ad his son should be no or little less. He should be located in Fujian, which I think should be within the domains of Lord Fong (Fuchau in the game map). Maybe he can help rebalance the imperial perception of the true qualities of imperial navy?

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    Post by Stuart Bailey Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:36 am

    Nexus06 wrote:
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    Nexus06 wrote:Thanks Goldstar,

    I hope you’ve liked Tsarevic part. I’ve worked hard on that piece. In theory Tsarevich should have stopped for the beer festival before going to Paris, but i must have messed out orders and didn’t happen.

    I think the Beer and Fox tossing festival would have been too boorish for the Tsarevichs refined tastes, more of his fathers cup of tea perhaps.  Alexis would be more interested in the paternal despotism practiced amongst the Emperor’s peasantry.

    Well, I must agree with you, and honestly the guy is worrying me a bit. His liberal views tend to be too influenced on those French and Dutch philosophers. I know boys of his age often indulge in...philosophy, but will the fluffy hand of the Tsarevich be able to hold a firm grip on Russia once his father will be departed? Next tour I will send him in tartary, so he will appreciate more the opportunities offered by Tsar's paternal approach on his subjects Wink

    Meanwhile in the south the Ottoman Empire remains under control of the fluffy and kindly Sultan and the even more fluffy and kindly Pasha of Rumelia?

    But for how much longer can they keep restless young Turks and the cheap seats in Athens under control? Cries of boreing, boreing and call that a campaign have already been shouted out.
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    Post by Nexus06 Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:36 am

    Stuart Bailey wrote:
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    Nexus06 wrote:Thanks Goldstar,

    I hope you’ve liked Tsarevic part. I’ve worked hard on that piece. In theory Tsarevich should have stopped for the beer festival before going to Paris, but i must have messed out orders and didn’t happen.

    I think the Beer and Fox tossing festival would have been too boorish for the Tsarevichs refined tastes, more of his fathers cup of tea perhaps.  Alexis would be more interested in the paternal despotism practiced amongst the Emperor’s peasantry.

    Well, I must agree with you, and honestly the guy is worrying me a bit. His liberal views tend to be too influenced on those French and Dutch philosophers. I know boys of his age often indulge in...philosophy, but will the fluffy hand of the Tsarevich be able to hold a firm grip on Russia once his father will be departed? Next tour I will send him in tartary, so he will appreciate more the opportunities offered by Tsar's paternal approach on his subjects Wink

    Meanwhile in the south the Ottoman Empire remains under control of the fluffy and kindly Sultan and the even more fluffy and kindly Pasha of Rumelia?

    But for how much longer can they keep restless young Turks and the cheap seats in Athens under control?  Cries of boreing, boreing and call that a campaign have already been shouted out.

    Rumelians, Russians, Hungarians.

    Sounds like the basis for a group dance battle contest to me!
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    Post by Jason2 Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:37 am

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    Jason2 wrote:Thanks for, as ever, a great summary Goldstar Smile

    I think the newspaper reports are a bit unfair on traditional Chinese shipbuilding and I will put my hands up, I suspect the real reason Lord Fong's ships didn't do so well at Brunei is more down to his clerk wording the attack order very badly

    If I may offer a token advice to the mighty lord Fong, you could look for Shi Shilun. He is the son of Admiral She Lang who brought Taiwan under imperial rule few years before the game begins. His father was a reputed admiral ad his son should be no or little less. He should be located in Fujian, which I think should be within the domains of Lord Fong (Fuchau in the game map). Maybe he can help rebalance the imperial perception of the true qualities of imperial navy?

    Thanks Smile will look into him!

    I really messed up the attack order though=why on earth did i say to open fire at maximum range????
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    Post by Goldstar Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:26 pm

    Stuart Bailey wrote:
    Nexus06 wrote:
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    Nexus06 wrote:Thanks Goldstar,

    I hope you’ve liked Tsarevic part. I’ve worked hard on that piece. In theory Tsarevich should have stopped for the beer festival before going to Paris, but i must have messed out orders and didn’t happen.

    I think the Beer and Fox tossing festival would have been too boorish for the Tsarevichs refined tastes, more of his fathers cup of tea perhaps.  Alexis would be more interested in the paternal despotism practiced amongst the Emperor’s peasantry.
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    Well, I must agree with you, and honestly the guy is worrying me a bit. His liberal views tend to be too influenced on those French and Dutch philosophers. I know boys of his age often indulge in...philosophy, but will the fluffy hand of the Tsarevich be able to hold a firm grip on Russia once his father will be departed? Next tour I will send him in tartary, so he will appreciate more the opportunities offered by Tsar's paternal approach on his subjects Wink

    Meanwhile in the south the Ottoman Empire remains under control of the fluffy and kindly Sultan and the even more fluffy and kindly Pasha of Rumelia?

    But for how much longer can they keep restless young Turks and the cheap seats in Athens under control?  Cries of boreing, boreing and call that a campaign have already been shouted out.
    The Sultan seems more of a builder than a warrior🤞 projects to by-pass the iron gates and the Suez Canal enterprise seem to be his main goal, with a little gardening on the side.  If the young blades still thirst for war, why do they always pick on the peace loving Austrians, why not the heretic shia Persians or rebellious Beys?
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    Post by Stuart Bailey Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:33 am

    Goldstar wrote:
    The Sultan seems more of a builder than a warrior🤞 projects to by-pass the iron gates and the Suez Canal enterprise seem to be his main goal, with a little gardening on the side.  If the young blades still thirst for war, why do they always pick on the peace loving Austrians, why not the heretic shia Persians or rebellious Beys?

    What rebellious Beys????!!!! I thought all of the Sultans Beys were hugely loyal to his Greatness.

    Ottomans can hardly pick on the Austrians or Persians after signing non aggression treaties with them.

    This would seem to leave The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Cossacks or Venetians as possible targets for bored young blades. The later lead by a guy who calls himself the Hammer of the Turks and is really, really rude.

    When is is not hiding behind the skirts of the Queen of Spain.
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    Post by Nexus06 Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:20 pm

    If I may interrupt this exchange of gallantries, I believe Goldstar has missed a relevant point in his summary. The guys at the imperial russian observatory have gone completely rogue while tasked of mapping the sky to improve navigation maps, nè found a new planet!

    Now, I do not think we need better maps, as anything sailing from russia under russian command would ever be able to navigate far enough to lose costal sight, but I wonder if in it’s glorious history any player has ever unwillingly discovered any celestial body.

    Historically I think the planet (a Jupiter’s moon I believe) will be discovered in the late xiviii century.

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