Game 10

Jason2 wrote:An excellent summary Marshal...except under point (2)...any True Scot will tell you, you cannae have too many toasts...and there's always room for one more...

Thanks Jason, too many for keeping the peace and quiet in the House, which is why I assume Hamilton came a running, now that does sound right

Papa Clement wrote:Perhaps we should open a new thread: LGDR blunders or some such title?

Maybe make it a bit more ITV Daytime/Jeremy Kyle-"LGDR Blunders and the Players who make them!"

Marshal Bombast wrote:

Jason2 wrote:An excellent summary Marshal...except under point (2)...any True Scot will tell you, you cannae have too many toasts...and there's always room for one more...

Thanks Jason, too many for keeping the peace and quiet in the House, which is why I assume Hamilton came a running, now that does sound right

It does, doesn't it

To draw a bit of history in, that level of drinking is just so Scottish...in the buildup to the Act of Union there were tensions on both sides, with fake news on both sides claiming the other side was about to invade...it was in this situation that the commander of the Royal Scots Army went on a bender with his mates...it must be quite impressive as 48 hours after it ended he was dead, generally recognised as being caused by the amount drunk...

...mind you, he was a bit of a lightweight

Hi, Just to say I have joined this madhouse as Brandenburg-Prussia, so time to make Berlin the cultural magnet of the Northern Reich. Oh and I might look at some Army reforms.

Welcome to Ten, look forward to hearing from you in game, Prussia is a good position to play, just don't invade Silesia straight away

Welcome Goldstar, hope you enjoy your stay with us

Just wondering whether G10 Western Europe will see some tactical reforms in the shape of strategic advances to the rear.

Marshal Bombast wrote:Welcome Goldstar, hope you enjoy your stay with us

Just wondering whether G10 Western Europe will see some tactical reforms in the shape of strategic advances to the rear.

If the Cortez can say "We have no proof that Charles von Hapsburg is dead" to which the reply was "What proof have we got that Charles von Hapsburg is alive" (Prof Shrodinger's cell paradox?)

Guess the Western European version is the German hired help and Swedish commanders on the Papist Crusade in France saying to their men "We have no proof that the Russian's and Prussian's can not be trusted" and as the Bavarians march slowly up to the Rhine their commanders saying "We have no proof that the French will not roll over and beg for peace as soon as they see our fearsome forces."

But with every step further into France, I wonder if the level of temptation in Berlin and Moscow goes up that tiny, tiny little bit more.

What is the "world record" for sickness level for a military formation. Just received the latest game 10 turn and can reveal a force with a SL rating of 16 (SIXTEEN) !!

Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

Sl 16. Really.? Normally an army or unit is lost at half that figure.

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

No. The Spanish have clearly Made Rodrigo King Of Spain.

jamesbond007 wrote:

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

No. The Spanish have clearly Made Rodrigo King Of Spain.

A suspended former Cardinal crowned a usurper who claims to rule over an Empire that no longer exists.

Portocarrero has no spiritual or sacramental authority to perform any ceremony and despite threatening other Spanish bishops failed to be recognised by them.

So we have the legitimately crowned King (Karl), and the illegitimate Roderigo whose 'coronation' was invalid.

I don't need to argue the point on here since it is in the newspaper for all to read for themselves.

I guess we all need a bit of light relief in these challenging times?

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

No. The Spanish have clearly Made Rodrigo King Of Spain.

A suspended former Cardinal crowned a usurper who claims to rule over an Empire that no longer exists.

Portocarrero has no spiritual or sacramental authority to perform any ceremony and despite threatening other Spanish bishops failed to be recognised by them.

So we have the legitimately crowned King (Karl), and the illegitimate Roderigo whose 'coronation' was invalid.

I don't need to argue the point on here since it is in the newspaper for all to read for themselves.

I guess we all need a bit of light relief in these challenging times?

Let’s put it to the vote. Who does the game 10 players believe is the King of Spain.

Where do you get the spanish Empire no longer exists.? The America’s is totally Spanish. Only parts of Italy are currently being fought over. Where the Spanish shall be playing their hand soon.

I don't need to argue the point on here since it is in the newspaper for all to read for themselves.

SL16? Dear god, what on earth happened to them Count?

Anyway, I'm pleased to see Rodger (p29 of the newspaper) has moved the game into "Carry On" territory...

Rodrigo has been accepted by the Spanish Nobles and population as King. That’s all that really counts.

The Papal States looks as though it’s struggling though.

Spain withholding tithes hits its economy by 25%. Then there is the a French withholding on top of that.what if the French and Spanish target trade next.? Ouch.

Looking at the newspaper seems the whole of Europe having a go at the Pope. Is there a new Pope candidate emerging.?

Interesting times.

jamesbond007 wrote:Rodrigo has been accepted by the Spanish Nobles and population as King. That’s all that really counts.

The Papal States looks as though it’s struggling though.

Spain withholding tithes hits its economy by 25%. Then there is the a French withholding on top of that.what  if the French and Spanish target trade next.? Ouch.

Looking at the newspaper seems the whole of Europe having a go at the Pope. Is there a new Pope candidate emerging.?

Interesting times.

If it gives you comfort then carry on deluding yourself.

I know exactly what I'm doing.

Out of interest what do you think is the point in time where the trade in a region rankings come from in the paper each year. Are they from the income round or does Richard work on an area a month and then publish from there?

Marshal Bombast wrote:Out of interest what do you think is the point in time where the trade in a region rankings come from in the paper each year.  Are they from the income round or does Richard work on an area a month and then publish from there?

Interesting question. I had assumed they are based on the income round, just from saving Richard work.

Jason2 wrote:

Marshal Bombast wrote:Out of interest what do you think is the point in time where the trade in a region rankings come from in the paper each year.  Are they from the income round or does Richard work on an area a month and then publish from there?

Interesting question.  I had assumed they are based on the income round, just from saving Richard work.

I did analyse this in G7 when I was trying to establish how effective the blockades were.  It does reflect investments made after the income round, so it is more up to date than the annual income figures.  Obvious really - if it wasn't then Richard would have to keep 2 sets of records, one historic, the other to reflect investments made by players, tariff changes, trade missions, colonial development and other quirks that change trade returns throughout the year.  

I still miss the old economic report that ranks trade for each country in each area, but getting 'real time' information in trade areas roughly twice a year is potentially more useful if you like to try and forecast your own revenue and market share.

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

This would seem to assume that Karl is still alive........he seems to have been in the Duc of Savoy's dark, wet and down right unhealthy cells (to Quote from the Jean Bart Good Prison guide) for rather a long time and his loyal Spanish subjects do not seem to be very interested in paying the ransom!

Oh well if a dec'd son of a Roman Emperor has come back to life in Rome is Burning perhaps the fashion can spread in G10 and we can have a Spanish version of all the "False" Demetri's in Russian History with lots of Carl Hapsburg's all claiming to be the real one excaped from the Duc of Savoy.

Stuart Bailey wrote:

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

This would seem to assume that Karl is still alive........he seems to have been in the Duc of Savoy's dark, wet and down right unhealthy cells (to Quote from the Jean Bart Good Prison guide) for rather a long time and his loyal Spanish subjects do not seem to be very interested in paying the ransom!

Oh well if a dec'd son of a Roman Emperor has come back to life in Rome is Burning perhaps the fashion can spread in G10 and we can have a Spanish version of all the "False" Demetri's in Russian History with lots of Carl Hapsburg's all claiming to be the real one escaped from the Duc of Savoy.

Although it doesn't come naturally for me to defend a Hapsburg, at least there is no dispute who King Karl's parents are, or where he is.  You can always tell a Hapsburg from the jaw, which oddly is not a feature of Roderigo's visage.  

Perhaps the ex-Duke of Savoy has forgotten King Karl is his prisoner?  After all, as Saxony's representative to the Reichstag most capably reasoned, he seems to have forgotten how often Savoy has insisted his lands were part of the HRE.  That's the trouble with protestants - they have awfully selective memories and want to take the benefits without the obligations     I have been impressed by the way the player for Saxony has gone to the trouble to respect history and do his research.

I do wonder if G10 is becoming the Rome is Burning version of LGDR.  If I had the money/time I would have been tempted to volunteer to play Nero, pronounce Rome would henceforth be Christian and then wait for the howls of outrage.  It would be as historical as the way some players are approaching religion in G10.  Has anyone counted how many players have claimed I am 'insane' this month?  If I was I might think there was a conspiracy.   Perhaps I should prove how reasonable I am by making my horse a Cardinal?

By the way, thank you for your letter, Stuart ... despite our disagreements and tendency to wind each other up on the forum, at least you are trying to play the game  

Stuart Bailey wrote:

Papa Clement wrote:

jamesbond007 wrote:Good to see the Spanish succession over at last.

It has been for quite some time ... Karl is King of Spain.

This would seem to assume that Karl is still alive........he seems to have been in the Duc of Savoy's dark, wet and down right unhealthy cells (to Quote from the Jean Bart Good Prison guide) for rather a long time and his loyal Spanish subjects do not seem to be very interested in paying the ransom!

Oh well if a dec'd son of a Roman Emperor has come back to life in Rome is Burning perhaps the fashion can spread in G10 and we can have a Spanish version of all the "False" Demetri's in Russian History with lots of Carl Hapsburg's all claiming to be the real one excaped from the Duc of Savoy.

If possession is 9/10ths of the law...I suppose not being held captive and being in the right country has to be at least 7/10ths?

And on a separate note, good to read newspaper articles relating to our new Maltese and Prussian players

Jason2 wrote:If possession is 9/10ths of the law...I suppose not being held captive and being in the right country has to be at least 7/10ths?

Oddly enough when HMRC want money off me, the fact that it is in my bank account doesn't seem to stop them; conversely when they owe me money, they do seem to think possession gives them an advantage.

Being physically free to rule is certainly an advantage, but rulers don't have to reside in the country they rule.  Sweden rules Pomerania and various other territories for example.  Of course it helps if you have trustworthy officials to help you instead of traitors.

“ Has anyone counted how many players claim I am insane this month.” Papa Clement quote.

Does that observation not tell you anything.

Why some players want to stick to History so much is strange. If we all played historically then every game would be the same and boring. But players who stick to History also change bits to suit themselves.

Papa clement commented and praised Stuart for at attempting to play historically. But Stuart took advantage of a weak spanish player and captured spanish towns in the America’s. As well as French Flanders. Is this Historical ?

I suppose the bottom line is. Players pick and choose which parts of history they wish to recreate and be historical. If good opportunities arrive they take it to advance their position and then History goes out the window.

So to praise one ( supposed) historical player and criticise another for ( obviously) not playing historically Is incorrect. No player plays entirely historically.