Game 8

Yet another interesting turn. Proof (again) that things are not always what they seem.

And it would appear that the Tsar will be looking to marry again. Sounds like a good Alliance making opportunity - and perhaps even a history changing opportunity.

I don't think you're crossing the line by saying it isn't you. It doesn't really make any sense to be an act of english government, so spies or pirates seems the likely answer.

I think the only person who can say if you crossed the line is Richard... Or, he might not say anything, and put a spanner in the works... haha

Sorry, i disagree I think it is crossing the line. Now - because of an out-of-game event - some players "know" it wasnt the english government and can act accordingly one month before the other players.

Having said that I have done the same kind of thing before, so Im not pointing the finger...

no offence count.

An interesting debate. However the truth is nobody knows for certain, who did it? If a player,in this case England. Did do it,then he would deny it anyway and try to blame someone else. So in fact,this debate should be allowed. Because on this site or via the newspaper,either way,nobody knows for certain who is to blame.

So no advantage is gained from this forum.

good point, well made. But surely not even the count would be that devious...;-)

One thing you can be certain of Richard regualry reads these forums and IF he suspects that some thing is out there that should not be then he may act "in game" to balance it out...

I don't think it is crossing a line either. Nothing prevents all players from being present here and as said, it's just one player's statement.

I just find completely illogical to believe that England would do this, so a statement from England stating the obvious doesn't seem out of line.

As a player, I'm just curious what actually happened. Not because it has any bearing on my actions, but because it seems so odd. Sort of like the two ambassador situation until the player fessed up to just making a goof.

October 1700 arrived this morning. Paper will be online this afternoon.

Must agree with other comments I've seen, the new paper layout is super!!

So will us post people get it today or tomorrow?

You can get it online on the wiki this afternoon

I am a post person,and i always seem to get mine on a saturday morning. So i would guess your turn will arrive in tomorrows post. The same as mine.

Prussia got a good slapping down this month. No ambiguity there. All very interesting.

didnt he just, im not the HRE but i think he is playing it well. you must start how you mean to go on, and no-one wiil respect an emperor who is indiffrent to his subjects and lets a mere Elector trample over their rights!

one the other hand...does the HRE need to upset prussia so openly when carlos is teetering on the brink...might it have been more politic to let him away with it and focus on france for now. I have no idea which is right, but just shows the intersting problems of playing the HRE.

Since the HRE is surrounded on all sides by potential enemies, in public the Emperor has to be seen to be strong otherwise vultures may start to cast avaricious eyes on his empire, and at this early stage in the game I don't think he has much to lose. Prussia is upset but since it seems it wants to act against the interest of the Empire, is that a great loss.

Prussia and Austria are always at loggerheads.The only way Prussia can expand greatly,is too eat into HRE terrain.So at some stage they fall out and raise the prospect of war.

Prussia should be more careful. They have also had words with Spain. So in the space of less than a year. They have fallen out with two of the biggest military forces in the game.

well it does restrict his options, but he can team up with Sweden (looks like that is happening already) and France. seems fair, given austria and spain are getting on so well...hmmm could we be setting up for France/Prussia/Sweden V Austria/HRE/Spain...just speculating here, I have no special insight...

Just a thought, could a Prussia accept its limitations (eg, can't really expand in Germany without war with Austria) and perhaps try a colonial policy?

I realise they don't have a navy (I think) and at game start only a single outpost in Africa (if that!), and yes it is limited by not having an easy outlet into the North Sea/Atlantic...but...is it viable or...

Has anyone been successful with a colonial policy, and I'm thinking of non-colonial powers.

i dont see why not, but im not sure if i was prussia if i would have showed my hand so soon, my personal view is good on the emperor for traking a firm line. HRE can provide a substantial number of troops to defend the empire and support austria if played wisely (as in game 7).

with so many minor players on the go they wont want prussia or austria to dominate either.

the imperial army of the HRE is not to be sniffed at and has been decisive as late as 1683
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Army_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire

tek_604 wrote:Has anyone been successful with a colonial policy, and I'm thinking of non-colonial powers.

I did make limited progress in one game where I started to establish a series of Chinese outposts/colonies; if I had lasted longer I think I would have succeeded in establishing a Chinese overseas 'empire'. In another I was Denmark but when I took it over, its rule over its handful of colonies was nominal so I was literally establishing its empire anew. I did make considerable headway and even founded new colonies-at the same time it was the first game I played in and I made a lot of mistakes that I wouldn't now, I could have made a considerable empire if given the chance again...the game was also in the mid 1720s when I joined in and I do wonder if, for a non-colonial power (or one with minimal colonies) the best chance for successfully developing as a new colonial power is if you are in a game from the start or only a couple of years in.

I have no experience playing prussia, but it just doesn't seem feasible to me to pursue a colonial approach given the existing state. You're too far behind the 8-ball. No real navy, and no ability to build one sufficient to compete with the other sea powers.

Prussia's destiny, it seems to me, must be in Europe.

As someone not involved in Game 8 I do find it a bit strange that Prussia has supposedly sent such a letter to the Emperor of the HRE.If is if true then the Prussian player has been decidely naive or cunningly misled.. The dispute with Spain was over recruiting in Hanover, I think that is correct. Was that not settled by Spain sending private proof to hanover?? Cannot remember a public display of proof so can only assume it was done privately. Does Spain still hold a grudge upon this matter Mr Bond?
It does look like Austria is preparing for a showdown with Prussia, if that is what is intended for public consumption, Im not sure. With Spanish succession still not safely in the bag, was it wise for Austria to discard prussian military support? They are rather useful even at this time in history.
Makes for a most interesting game, especially for us onlookers.