The Agema Shuffle ???

The non G7 players may not have noticed this but prior to Jan 1706 all the focus was on James Francis Edward Stuart born 1688 with:

1) The Jacobites getting their young leader crowned in Canterbury..........assume they believed at that stage the old King James II was dec'd since he would not need to be crowned and you could hardly crown a 2nd jacobite king with the old one still breathing.

2) The real Louis XIV defended himself from charges of bad faith and broken treaties/promises by saying these applied only to James II and not to his son (a historic arguement on both sides)

3) Spain trying to arrange a Royal Wedding with the 17/18 year old Prince.

But suddenly Agema says you are all wrong and the Prince run through by Churchills Blade was not the Stuart who signed the Concorde of Bristol & the Proclamation of Accession but his dear old dad.

This would seem to have two results..........1) If anyone wants to run the Jacobite faction you have not only got a martyr but also a leader with a better claim to the throne than William 2) A live Jacobite Prince means the French are pretty much honour bound to fight on esp since the French Army in England is commanded by a son of the murdered man (and just to really keep it in the family Berwicks mum is Churchills sister).

To date the French having been saying the Anglo-French war and the War between France and the Emperor are totally seperate while the Emperor has said they are linked. What is the betting that in 1706 the French will be saying they are linked and the Emperor has sided with Heretics and King Killers while the Hapsburgs will be saying "John who? dont know the man" and be claiming that the only thing they want is their land back.

Something the real Louis has claimed all along when the Emperor sent his troops into ex Habsburg Lands rather than to England.

As a matter of interest does anyone have a complete list of all the lands Louis XIV has taken from the Habsburgs in the last 50 years or so?

Are you saying that Marlborough killed the elder, but the prince is still kicking? If so, that's a bloody mess!

Clearly Marlborough should have gone to Specsavers

I only posted on what was reported in the La Gloire Jan 1706 edition which reports on the 70 year old Jemes Stuart getting run through by Churchill.

Resulting in belief that a Kansas City Shuffle has been trumped by a Agema one and a 18 year old Jacobite Prince is still knocking around the place. I may be wrong but if anyone wants to play the G7 Jacobite faction I reckon Richard would be happy to oblige. Ideal position for player who likes Choas and blood feuds!

Actually as someone who thinks the D of M attempt to solve his Jacobite problem was against the spirit of the period and the character I am happy with a bit of a fudge which means dodgy action by the English has resulted in them having a bigger Jacobite problem than before.

And on the basis that the GM is always right I will be happy to welcome a JFES to the game & sorry to hear about your Dad.

Historically he died in September 1701, did he actually die in 1701 in the game and was it reported in the paper?

If so, this must be an error. But in other games, historical death dates aren't in-game death dates.

in Game 8 it is august 1701 and King Carlos is still lingering when historically he died nearly a year ago.

I would expect Richard would want to randomize those kinds of death dates to avoid players being able to take advantage of predicting them.

I have noticed the same in G7....... William of Orange lasted longer than the historic one ditto King Carlos of Spain. Seems that Williams horse has avoided the mole holes while Carlos spent months at deaths door being nursed by the various Spanish factions who got really upset when Portugal hinted that he had been murdered.

The death of James II has never actually been reported in the paper. I think what happened was a new Jacobite player assumed he had passed away and started to play as JEFS with other players taking his lead and assuming that James II had passed on at the historic time.

Well, Richard has confirmed on the other thread that the elder didn't die and apparently did a few things in 1703 to confirm.

That means the bloody mess that was here before is, I guess, even bloodier!

God bless the Shantung Emperor is what I say!

Mess? I can't wait to see what the French/Jacobite troops think to the cutting down of this older king and where the DoM's honour will go? The action looked like a true deus ex machina and looked to set England straight but discussing here suggests it won't.

So can I substitute deus ex machina for the Agema shuffle? More in keeping with the age and slightly more respectful if the GM is reading this

Regor wrote:God bless the Shantung Emperor is what I say!

You mean the whole war was actually a cunningly clever plan by the Chinese to make the barbarians exhaust themselves in war, leaving them easy pickings for his fast approaching ocean-covering Armada and the million strong army it carries

absolutely!