G7 - The War of the English Succession & the breaking of the Pirate Brotherhood

turn is going to be late Richard just informed me

Luckily I have G9 to keep me busy

Kingmaker wrote:turn is going to be late Richard just informed me

I noticed the games slowed down last time Richard launched a new game. Hope that means it's coming soon...

Deacon wrote:

Kingmaker wrote:turn is going to be late Richard just informed me

I noticed the games slowed down last time Richard launched a new game. Hope that means it's coming soon...

Does this mean the new "Roman" game is going to be out soon?

Ref "Honour" in this period do you think best option is:

a) Throw the best orgy?
b) Sponsor a Chariot Team?
c) Beat up foreigners?

Hmm...is that a turn I see in my inbox...

Lots of fighting and marching, now a proper wargame, with a huge French fleet turning up in the channel. What a pity the Austrian fleet got sunk a few moths ago!

Basileus wrote:Lots of fighting and marching, now a proper wargame, with a huge French fleet turning up in the channel. What a pity the Austrian fleet got sunk a few moths ago!

Clearly a cunning French plan to stop the 10,000 Austrian troops in Sussex from taking control of the Isle of Wight Ferry and mounting a cross channel invasion of France.

Nov 1710 Gloire du Roi has shown up and for non players here are the sort of highlights in the British (Un)Cival war.

a) After their liberation of the wreck that is Edinburgh the Anglo-Dutch-Scots forces attempted to attack the Jacobite forces in Leith. But they made zero progress due to loads of slow moving Russians with loads of ladders getting in the way.

The mostly Dutch generals commanding believe that they should be following a cease fire with the Russians but some how the Czar has convinced himself that losses due to disease were actually butchered by the Dutch and he has thrown the cease fire in the bin and the UDP envoy out of Russia.

This sort of solves the in the way Russian problem for the Dutch Generals - just shot them out of the way. But sadly for them the delay has allowed the English Jacobite Navy to land artillery from ships and semi fort up. With the Jacobite General Fairfax ordering "No retreat from Leith."

The question now is will anyone take the plunge and attack? Or no one feeling that brave?

b) Further north in Perth the Jacobite Earl of Melfort is concerned that the clans loyal to King James are slowly but surely being battered into the ground by Moss Troopers loyal to the Scots Republic.

According to the Jacobites leaders in England & France no true Scot would take the bounty offered on MacGregors heads following the murder of King William, Prince Eugine & Lord Murray esp if the bounty was paid in Spanish Silver.

Seems that Campbells, Maxwells, Johnstones, Armstrongs, Murray's etc are not true Scots as their reaction to the MacGregor bounty seems to be "Paso de ocho reales" (pieces of eight to English or Scots) "that will do nicely".

c) Down South in England Durch Cavalry probed Warwick while Austrian Light Infantry probed the defences of Hastings. Not to any great effect but it ruined Jacobite efforts to "rest".

If the Austrians were looking to follow a Papal Request to leave England and leave the Heretics to fight it out amongst themselves Hastings is clearly not the port since 123 French Ships of the Line are now off the port putting a end to any hope that the Austrians will leave England.

d) Off New York the French are also blocking anyone from leaving which is going to make it impossible for the Dutch to comply with Russian demands. But the French Navy do seem to be having a few problems with North Atlantic weather in these waters.

f) Faced with the threat of being blown out of the water by the French as soon as they try and leave the British Isles......Hapsburg (Spanish) envoys in Rome have offered to leave the British Isles provided the Russians do as well and the Pope guarantees their free passage. Otherwise they are not getting on any boat to be blown out of the water by the French.

This offer presents some interesting problems for King Louis.... does he promise the Pope that he will not fire on a Papal banner? And help King James wind down the civil war? But at the cost of sending the Habsburg Troops who saved Scotland (but not King William) back home to fight the French? Or does he want them to stay in Britain taking revenge for Prince Eugine?

The King probably hopes the Czar will have one of his Vodka induced "I know I said I wanted this......but I have changed my mind moments."

The more I read of G7, the more I feel sorry for the British. Even if there is peace, it will take decades for the country to recover.

I blame the various British Governments we have had.......who over the years have:

1) Failed to complete a agreement with Louis XIV of France to supply dredgers.  This resulted in Louis having problems with his canals and a demand for compensation.

- When you are not ready for war and can not fight your way out of a paper bag its probably not a good move to call Louis XIV bluff and basically say do you worst to him because...........He did!

2) When fighting a war with the French with the support of the UDP & HWIC its probably not a great move to arrest King William (who is also the Dutch Stadtholder) & ship him off to Scotland, restore James II and make peace with the French all without speaking to your ex-allies.......They tend to hold a grudge and want to restore King William.

3) When fighting a war with the French with the support of the Hapsburgs abandoning them without a word is not polite.........it also raises questions about British Judgement since the Hapsburgs won the war even though they were betrayed by the London Govt.

- Then when the HWIC & the Hapsburgs try to restore relations by marrying the Queen of Spain sister to the restored King James II son ........even if you are worried about French reactions.  You do not slap down your merchants and leave the HWIC with egg all over its face by insulting the young lady in question as not being noble or royal enough.

4) Then with the HWIC and the Williams Dutch Ministers on the Warpath and the Hapsburgs sulking we have the "Kansas Shuffle affair".......for reasons unknown the English Govt decides that it can help its honour (low due to having lost a war with French, signing a grovelling treaty with French to restore the Jacobites and betraying its allies) by the murder James II.

Then when its honour goes into free fall due to the murder of the Lords Annointed and the French hitting the roof and threatening war again the English Ministers make their best general a scape goat and turn their coats again to make James III King.

5) After years of weak Govt...........James III has been a interesting change but you are to wonder about:

- Crushing the HWIC company position rather than working with it.
- Getting rid of the Bank of England and Parliament
- The Invasion of Scotland and bringing in the Russian Army......plus the execution of King William, Prince Eugine and Lord Murray.


Actually the people I feel sorry for are the Scots and the HWIC.  It is probably not much fun trying to run a "minor" English position when you dont have a clue about what the main government is going to do next.

I think the English position was complicated by the fact that a Jacobite victory probably means that you lose the position. I was in the process of attempting to seize control when I had to drop. I suspect that work was completed shortly thereafter.

Since then, I think the English/Jacobite player has gone for total authoritarianism. An interesting choice, but not one that leads to peace and prosperity very quickly - or for that matter to having friends.

I think killing William was probably a bad choice. But here I think treaty rules do make the game more playable, but also more a-historic. With William in custody, you could extract concessions, probably payment and an abdication of claims to the English throne. But then 3 years from that, it's all out the window again.. So maybe it is safer/better to take the more extreme action of executing him. Plus, of course, with agents and the like it's always possible that William would be sprung by someone and you'd have to start the whole thing all over.

However, once you've killed William, then you have to be prepared for a bloody and drawn out war.

I picked up the HWIC a couple of years later, and was planning to switch to supporting the Jacobites, but they'd gone so far off the rails at that point that I couldn't bring myself to do that. All I got were threatening letters that made me want to turn pirate just to burn english shipping.

Deacon wrote:I picked up the HWIC a couple of years later, and was planning to switch to supporting the Jacobites, but they'd gone so far off the rails at that point that I couldn't bring myself to do that. All I got were threatening letters that made me want to turn pirate just to burn english shipping.

lol  

any one seen the turn yet?

hmmm email Richard no response very strange......

By my reckoning, we are due the next G9 turn (not here yet) before we get G7...

ok np

still no turn

Am sure it will turn up soon

It's arrived but evil deeds abound....

read my swashbuckler for more info!!!!

It has arrived, it's full of action but (so far as I can see) no-one mentioned Christmas!

Yes...but Christmas involves Peace and Goodwill to All Men...not something you find a lot of of in G7

Jason wrote:Yes...but Christmas involves Peace and Goodwill to All Men...not something you find a lot of of in G7

......Typical the kindly and loveable King of Spain spends a fortune on Christmas gifts, parties, dinners, bonus payments for his trusty retainers and alms for the poor and it does not even get a mention.

But someone kidnaps a monkey and its front page news.

Jason wrote:Yes...but Christmas involves Peace and Goodwill to All Men...not something you find a lot of of in G7

a spot of study of the Gloire du Roi December 1710 does actually show some peace and good will in England over Christmas..........its on Page 2 Column 3 under the London heading were the Catholic James III goes to a Anglican carol service and shares a mince pie.

This was just after the bit in which people complained about the overcrowding in James III goals.

Apart from carols, mince pies and filthy overcrowded goals other events in the British Isles included:

1) A Williamite (Anglo Dutch) attack on Jacobite held Leith. The land attack was really no more than a exchange of cannon fire between Dutch field guns in the open and unloaded Naval Cannon in semi completed earth works in which nither side did much.

The fact that guns and crews had been landed ment that the Jacobite Naval forces in Leith stood no chance at all against the Dutch Fleet of Admiral Callenburgh which managed to sink 5 great frigates, a frigate, a yacht & 11 transports. Plus taking as prized 15 hired merchantmen & the 11 Regt of Foot which were on said ships.

The Dutch Navy also caused a English Convoy heading towards Leith to turn around and flee back to London.

The question now is will the Cannon of the Dutch Navy win the battle of Leith for the Williamite-Republican cause or with the English, French or Russian fleets brave winter storms to chase them off & save Fairfax?

2) A Austrian force attempted to avenge the murdered Austrian Hero Prince Eugine by attacking the Jacobites in Hastings......they failed badly.

3) After the attack Daniel Defoe showed up to oversee the decoration of new Turkish baths........this may be some strange Jacobite insult to their foes but its not really clear.

4) Back in Scotland the Earl of Melfort has changed his mind and is now claiming that the Jacobites are winning the war in Scotland. According to Melfort (this month) the rebels are starving and hold only a third of Scotland. This rather goes against what he said last month and no news indicates that Scots government moss troopers have stopped kicking the hell out of Jacobite clans.

5) In England Derby and Bath seem to have joined declared for the English Republic and a restoration of Parliament under the old system.

6) Finally the English Navy has attacked Trieste & Fiume in the Adriatic captureing the later port and numerous mechantships in both ports. While a third English force "Jenning's Seahawks" has headed up the River Danube.

The Pasha of Rumelia is yet to comment on this total violation of Ottoman waters and invasion of Rumelia. People are no doubt wondering if he is a gutless Janissary Coward scared of his own shadow and the English Navy? Or is he a true Rumalian who responds to violation of the Danube by blowing the invaders out of the water and impaling them along the banks of the Danube? (Note no bias here at all )

Stuart Bailey wrote: The Pasha of Rumelia is yet to comment on this total violation of Ottoman waters and invasion of Rumelia. People are no doubt wondering if he is a gutless Janissary Coward scared of his own shadow and the English Navy? Or is he a true Rumalian who responds to violation of the Danube by blowing the invaders out of the water and impaling them along the banks of the Danube? (Note no bias here at all )

lol one can hope......