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    Post by Stuart Bailey Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:39 am

    Regor wrote:Well thats it - turn submitted but I’d like to give apols for my poor comms in the letters section. [normal service will be resumed next month].
    Hope your scribblings are going well and that the D20 of DOOM is kind to you. Whatever your view of Rome.



    Have sent off my turn as well trying to sort out why my characters mother has gone early to visit her sister in North Africa and too the wrong port !! Its a crisis in Iberia !!!

    When I say I am trying to sort out the crisis I naturally do not mean my character is trying to sort it out. He has people to deal with the D20 of DOOM and like a true Roman head of house has slopped off to the Games, Baths and Society of Apollo clubrooms.

    I am informed that other parts of the of this game are also having the odd crisis as well, so I too wish everyone well with the dreaded D20 of doom. Some people also seem to believe the game is not really about Chariot racing. But I refuse to believe this.

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    Post by Regor Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:45 pm

    Stuart, I appreciate your involvement and insight. I’ve joined and dropped out of Agema games over decades but never really “got” how they work from the GM’s point of view. (And frankly probably never will!) I like the D20 concept - I lost a Cohort over the Danuvius sharing women and donkeys and frankly I didn’t expect that they would pick a battle. It’s going to bring on the pains.

    Meanwhile my lot are trying to spread the risk so that one reverse doesn’t rock the boat. Well until the GoA (Gods of mount Agema) put a rock in the spokes of my chariots wheel.

    And I always like the old Squad Leader way of using 2D6 with their ‘average’ weighting at 7 and good and bad (2 and 12 respectively) being ‘unusual’ but then I’m a bit of a luddite.

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    Post by Stuart Bailey Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:57 am

    Regor wrote:Stuart, I appreciate your involvement and insight. I’ve joined and dropped out of Agema games over decades but never really “got” how they work from the GM’s point of view. (And frankly probably never will!) I like the D20 concept - I lost a Cohort over the Danuvius sharing women and donkeys and frankly I didn’t expect that they would pick a battle. It’s going to bring on the pains.

    Meanwhile my lot are trying to spread the risk so that one reverse doesn’t rock the boat.  Well until the GoA (Gods of mount Agema) put a rock in the spokes of my chariots wheel.

    And I always like the old Squad Leader way of using 2D6 with their ‘average’ weighting at 7 and good and bad (2 and 12 respectively) being ‘unusual’ but then I’m a bit of a luddite.

    Looking forward the the replies dropping.


    Could be the D6, D10 or D20 or these days even the computer number generator of Doom only the GM actually knows.

    Richard did say at one stage that having a high honour score made having bad things happen to your position like fire, plague, bad harvests, earthquakes etc less likely to happen. If so it would seem to be a very small advantage since bad things seem to happen to very honourable types as much as they happen too the cads and bounders.

    To confuse matters somewhat more is that the most common bad thing to happen to a position and something which seems to happen in Glori every year is poor harvests and Richard has also said that this is weighted towards some positions having good harvests and others having a bad harvest to reflect the historic position.

    Also unless we are talking about earthquakes or storms at sea hitting your ships the question arises of how much is down to the random fall of the D20 or whatever of Doom and how much is down to player action? Can all the "Great fires" of London and other places be blamed on a random fall of the dice? Or were hostile agents playing with fire in a timber store?

    I do believe that a good player accepts that bad things happen are going to happen and takes steps to either reduce the chance of such events or mitigate their effects. Now how much effect C18 medical services and fire services or even Roman fire regulations actually have against the D20 of Doom in games is a moot point. But having a large store of grain and an active fishing fleet do help a lot when trying to stop a bad harvest from turning into a famine.

    How combat works is carefully hidden to stop players "gaming" the system. But it seems likely that each force has a base combat factor which is then modified by various factors - one of which is a random dice rolls to represent all the small unknown factors on the day.

    Thus in a very even battle of ten lineships v ten lineships battle the dice rolls could we decide the issue but if its 20 lineships fighting 10 frigates the dice rolls are going to make very little difference. Tend to think accounts in the paper of the Roman Rebel Guard Cavalry fighting like Hero's, the 300 or legends. May indicate that they rolled a 20 on a D20 v a much lower score for the other side, which tipped a battle they should have lost.

    Tend to think dice rolls play a larger part when one side trys a coup-de-main or some other cunning plan like a fire-ship attack or a night time flank march which could have a wide spread of results from working perfectly to getting spotted and gunned down in the ditch.

    Early Glori indicated that so many engaged units would fight at full value for each point of honour. Which in very large battles or if lots of battles happened in a month would help the side with the higher honour score (or the French as they got more units at full effect per honour point).

    Combat reports also indicate that the rules like Agema table top rules have a huge bias in favour of attacking Swedes.

    Finally, it seems that over the years the rules have been changed and modified with much greater emphasis on sickness levels and campaigning prior to battle. So what you want to do these days is fight a force in good condition v one in very poor condition. So that even the legends of the Rebel Guard Cavalry were helpless when divine justice finally caught up with them (when they were SL#6? or something like that)


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    Post by Regor Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:25 pm

    Nothing to disagree with in that! I believed morale and sickness levels were the key drivers BUT (and this is the eureka moment)..... Glori has been missing in my planning.

    Regor leaves to attend to kicking himself....
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    Post by Stuart Bailey Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:03 pm

    It seems that the noble Aulus D. Geminus can stop kicking himself having finally gone past Trajan as the most honoured man in Rome.

    Both men staged games but Geminus included Gladiators in his. Also Germinus sent his wife on holiday while like a true Roman Pater Trajan left his wife to sort out family issues while he sloped off to the Chariots (basically going on holiday himself to keep out of the way). But why is the ship Trajan wife sorted out for her mother in laws trip to her sister in Carthage still carrying a load of lead?

    But probably the main difference is that the Field Consul has finally found the traitor Cordus and his camp hidden in woods. Can he finally avenge Nero and crush the revolt of the Guard?

    But will even this be enough to keep ostop the Aulus D. Geminus at the top of the glory list if Cestius Gallus returns from the deserts of the east loaded down with loot and glory? Or if Otha gets to reclaim his wife?

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    Post by Regor Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:39 am

    I wonder? There appears to be a lot happening beyond Rome too…. Could the GoA be toying with the characters again? [cue groans and rolling eyes from the bleachers] The New Republicans are struggling to act together whilst the number of pretenders to the purple increases and the barbarians get uppity. Makes you wonder what’s glori is good for? [from the crowd..”absolutely nothing!]
    It is hilarious that given the events of the last year or so that both Trajan and Geminus would support the Widow’s attempt at the Purple….
    And what of the Golden House Yard sale?
    Doing something about the Hide and Seek champion of Southern Italy?
    Latin rights for Dalmatians [not the dogs, silly!]
    And what is going on in the Senate?
    And we have yet to turn our attention to matters in the North and out East….
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    Post by Stuart Bailey Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:17 am

    Regor wrote:I wonder? There appears to be a lot happening beyond Rome too…. Could the GoA be toying with the characters again? [cue groans and rolling eyes from the bleachers] The New Republicans are struggling to act together whilst the number of pretenders to the purple increases and the barbarians get uppity. Makes you wonder what’s glori is good for? [from the crowd..”absolutely nothing!]
    It is hilarious that given the events of the last year or so that both Trajan and Geminus would support the Widow’s attempt at the Purple….
    And what of the Golden House Yard sale?
    Doing something about the Hide and Seek champion of Southern Italy?
    Latin rights for Dalmatians [not the dogs, silly!]
    And what is going on in the Senate?
    And we have yet to turn our attention to matters in the North and out East….

    From the Iberian section of the bleachers next to the pickled doormice stand the view is:-

    I) The idea that a female can be a Roman Magistrate is just stupid.........are we Greeks or Celts to be ruled by a Queen?

    II) Idea of be ruled by a Queen is almost as silly as theory that you need a Dictator for Life (Emperor) to make a Senator. The Senate existed well before most of the other Roman Offices like Dictator.

    Being mostly Blue faction Chariot fans my faction believes the only way to treat the wild theories which seem to be generated on a cave somewhere on Mount Agema (re-call the one about you all watched him die and attended his cremation but actually Britanicus is alive !! And living as a crap actor in Gaul) to to cat-call and mock them from the bleachers.

    III) Assumed the Consul had agreed a pre-aution sale of various items of sentimental value to the grief stricken widow. Does he now carry on with the sale of the gold (?) baths and floor, wall and ceiling art works (mostly pornographic). Or has he raised enough cash to fund the Geminus gate and at least the first stage of the walls from Egypt?

    IV) Yes we think the field Consul should do his job and bring the hide and seek champion of southern Italy to some form of Justice. But why is the Classis Asiaticus on the move from territory of the other rebel could the hide and seek championship be going on tour?

    Still baffled as to why Otha was looking for Rebel Governor of Asia in Galatia? Is fact he is love sick messing with his sence of direction? Still its not every girl who comes with her own Palace with its own poison pantry, personal troop of horse guards and a fortune in bed coverings.

    V) What is going on in Senate.......not a clue !! Was a little bit surprized that when I try and influence a Senator (not from major faction) with influence in the Revenna region in effort to gain insight into what that fleet was up too and thinking. End up with guy who I had tried to press treason charges against on my list for a short while before he drops dead. Talk about easy come, easy go.

    Suspect such random use of monthy influence attempt may allow the Chaos Gods to dump trouble makers onto your faction list.

    VI) As for what is going on at the frontiers.......we in Iberia have total faith that our elected Consuls and the spiffing chaps in the East have everything under control. Probably up to point when own troops declare them Emperor or something like that.



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    Post by Stuart Bailey Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:05 pm

    Ad Infinitum for September 820 has shown up with further accounts of forum gossip and the trials and tribulations of a bunch of spiffing chaps in clean white toga’s with purple stripes as they try and make an honest denerii (from plunder, slave taking and farming…..but never trade) and save the light of civilization from being put out by various Druidic types, horse and camel nomadic raiders, pirates and assorted religious fanatics and traitors employed by the man in slippers and silk PJ’s the so called Parthian King of Kings.

    For non players of Rome is Burning who may wish to consider joining the Toga Party (or perhaps even the smelly furs and leather party) here are the highlights as reported in Ad Infinitum:

    1) Out in the East Governor of Syria Cestius Gallus spent the month taking firm control of Seleucia by scaring the sh*t out of its leading citizens. But was also good enough to show the advantages of civilized Roman rule by making improvements to Seleucia latrines including lining the bottom of septic tanks with broken up stone provided by Parthian Royal Statues. No doubt very handy for Seleucia leading citizens after their interviews with Gallus.

    Amongst the other things Gallus did next after taking control of Seleucia was collect a lot of boats and build a boat bridge. The Bridge is still parallel to the Seleucia score but may be long enough to allow Gallus forces to deploy to the Ctesiphon bank in the future.

    Gallus also prepared the ground for a possible battle on the Seleucia bank of the river if the Parthian field Army moves directly against him from Nisbis. Including making sure any direct move against his Army would have to ride past thousands of crucified Median bodies of his former opponents.

    2) Some info from the King of Kings Vizier of Propaganda “Appian” indicated that the Parthians may be planning to take advantage of the twin rivers. Perhaps by massing against potion of the Roman Army while other half if still on other side of river. But odd lack of any sign of actual Parthian movements so perhaps both sides may be waiting to see what the other side does after capture of Seleucia?

    Problem for the Parthian side is that they seem to be being drawn into an urban battle of brains and engineering which does not really play to their strength.

    3) While Parthia is distracted by events at home Gaius C. Tuscus seems to be taking the opportunity to try and sort out the mess that it is Judea…...BEST OF ROMAN LUCK WITH THAT !! Though it is believed by many that Tuscuas and his merry team of grain brokers, bankers and Alexandrian power brokers do not give a damn if Judea is painted red with blood. Just so long as the trouble does not spread to Antioch and most importantly their beloved Alexandria.

    No doubt concerned by charges that he has gone “native” and cares more about his beloved Alexandria than he does about Rome. Tuscus showed his loyalty to Rome by giving 20m Denerii to the Consul of Rome and also by funding agricultural improvements in both the Balkans and in North West Italy which his spokesmen in the Senate talked up as showing Tascus concern for Roman grain supply.

    Cynics might suggest these actions also showed the financial firepower and grain market control of Alexandria. Rome may be the political capital of the Empire but is it still the financial capital?

    4) Also out in the East Marcus S. Otho proved he is no good at hide and seek since he spent part of month looking for the rebel Governor of Asia……..in GALATIA. My guess would be try Sardis the capital of Asia or perhaps Ephesus where the rebels fleet is reported to have moved to.

    However, it is not all bad news for Otho in fact he had some very good news indeed when his proposal to his first wife (the widow of Nero) to become his wife again was accepted by Poppaea Augusta Sabina widely considered to be the richest, best looking and most influential widow in the whole of the Roman Empire and the catch of catches (who said Otha was rubbish at hide and seek?).

    It seems that the young lady and her babies guardians like Trajan had no objections to her marrying Otha again subject to Poppaea being allowed to finish her year of moaning for Nero.

    5) It would also seem that in an effort to prove himself worthy of the hand of the fair Poppaea and no doubt earn enough loot from the treasury of Parthia to pay for his wedding. Otha and his Legions are not heading west to deal with the rebels in Asia but are actually heading east to help Cestius Gallus. So its possible that Otha cavalry scouts were not lost so much as making sure of his rear area and that “Emperor Aviola” and the Asian rebels were not also heading east.

    6) As well as agreeing to marry Marcus S. Otho for the 2nd time…….was it only me or does Otha seem rather more keen on getting his first wife back than his first wife seemed keen to get Otha back? The fair (or sometimes Red headed) Poppaea and her advisors, clients and friends made sure Rome was protected from Cordus and the missing rebel forces. And if the worst happened Poppaea, her and Nero children and other leading foes of Cordus and the Guard could escape from Rome.

    Poppaea also managed to get items of “sentimental” value back from the Golden House for the bargain price of 700,000 Denerii paid for by her and the girls “Uncle Trajan”. Seems that no one considered it polite to bid against the widow. Will be interesting to see what price Aulus D. Geminus can now get for the solid gold baths and pipes and the world class collection of pornographic art from Nero’s floors, ceilings and walls? Though what Otha will think of all the silk sheets and gold inlay bed coverings of “sentimental” value to Nero and his new wife the Gods only know.

    7) Also in Rome the famous or it that infamous Senator Pomponius has passed away in the arms of his mistress the Lady Vipsania. Pomponius a noted slum landlord was fined for offences under the building code but is most famous for acting as chief spokesman for the Alexandrian grain lobby. Before he wrong footed and humiliated Gaius C. Tuscus and the boys from Alex by making a highly irregular bide to become Emperor on his own behalf.

    Pomponius bid for the purple failed when it was mocked by both Army leaders and influential political leaders and was totally disowned by the boys in Alexandria who even threatened to cut the grain supply if the “traitor” Pomponius was made Emperor.

    Pomponius avoided treason charges in the Senate and later joined a religious faction in the Senate in the hope that this would help him avoid a knife in the dark or an Egyptian Asp in his fruit bowl.

    While Pomponius death was seemingly due to natural causes no doubt many are going to wonder if this is a warning to all about the danger of taking millions of Denarii from Alexandria and then breaking the deal. Could it even apply to a Roman Consul who accepted 20m denerii from Alexandria?

    Cool Even though it may not have worked for Pomponius. Senator Sulla also got religion this month and joined the religious faction. Sulla who is influential in the Brundisium area and in the past was friendly with the arch traitors Cordus and Aviola would seem to be trying to put space between himself and the traitors. Meanwhile Senator Marcus left this same faction for one with more money and better chance of giving him the job of buildings Rome’s walls but the timing seems to have damaged his reputation. With people wondering if he had knowledge about or played a part in the death of Pomponius.

    9) Galreia Fundana and her husband Aulus Vitellius also seem to have got religion this month and in a visit to the Flamen Dialis (High Priest) of Jupiter have promised to build scores of Temples to the Greatest and Best of the Gods. Would have though that Aulus Vitellius would have also offered something to the God of the Sea to protect his brother but guess he is only concerned with the campaign in Germania at this moment in time.

    10) Finally in Rome the Consul Corbula fearing an influx of Slaves from the East and Germaia and replacement of Roman farmers with cheap slave labour has issued an order to protect rights of Roman tenant farmers. Clerks are currently demanding more details and the other Consul could always Veto to protect interests of large estate owners who want to reintroduce slave labour.

    But in past Consul Geminus has shown a degree of sympathy for small Roman farmers (backbone of Legions) and traditional thinkers rather than Estate Owners who want more profit. Bad recent experience with slaves pinching his donkeys have probably not changed his mind.

    11) When not being lobbied to use his veto powers or worrying about missing Donkeys and Slaves potential to cause a war in the north. Consul of Rome Aulus D. Geminus proved to be rather better at hide and seek than Otha and has located the missing Cordus and his band of traitors just off the Via Popillia between Tarentum and Rhegium on the very toe of Italy.

    Thus it would seem that rather than making a mad dash towards Rome Cordus and his gang have moved away from Rome. If anyone has a clue about what Cordus is doing – answers on the back of a post card please!

    12) In Brundisium the fleet and local authorities cleaned up from last month. With the dead rebel guard cavalry getting the absolute minimium to stop their spirits troubling the still alive. While the fallen marines got a really nice and honourable send off. Someone however then damaged the marine graves which may reflect a degree of local upset at the number of local bar girls etc cut down with the rebel guard cavalry. Commander of that attack has however got promoted so it seems that the powers that be in the Navy do not give a damn about the odd civilian losses. If you get cut down while drinking with a bunch of traitors – tough – would seem to be the Navy view.

    Clearly the Navy or at least the Navy in the West seem to be traditional thinkers to a man.

    13) On the Rhine frontier King Radbod hit back and destroyed a small Roman base on the east bank of the river while force marching 18,478 enslaved Roman settlers deeper into the wild woods. The question now is how far are the Rhine Legions and Aulus Vitellius willing to venture east into the dark and wet woods to save their fellow citizens from a fate worse than death at the hands of the evil Radbod?

    14) In the Balkan heartlands of Consul Geminus. Usual Balkan type happening like a couple of librarians murdered with snakes and the celebration of the Roman September games. While Roman command on the Danube considered what to do about the slaughter of 500 Roman Troops last month. Normally the only answer would be WAR but the Danube Legions seem to be taking their time to gather information about the political alliances of the Marcomanii - Anartes, Quadi and Dacians. Too which must be added the Marcomanii have taken in and protected a lot of Iazyges women which could mean the rest of that battered tribe including 6,000 Lancers owe them a debt of honour. Its possible that the local Danube commanders do not want to start a campaign north of the river while so many of their best men and top commanders are still in Italy.

    15) They also had September Games in Bactica which allowed Trajan to politic away with Roman Senatorial missions while keeping out of the way of family issues.

    The Senatorial missions have confirmed that if the Senate vote to give Latin rights to the whole of Lusitania and Batica only another six men will have senatorial status and sixty one will have equestrian status. This fairly low figure for the higher orders may be due to over 200,000 people including many of the provinces social leaders like Trajan and Senica already being Roman citizens.
    Perhaps numbers will be greater in the North were tribal organization lingered for longer?

    Apart from that the major change would to give Iberian troops in the Roman Army a pay rise, chance to share in future bonus payments, increased status and promotion opportunity from lower ranks. The Senatorial missions would seem to be in no doubt that the Magistrates of Emerita Augusta, Corduba, Italica, Nova Carthago are happy and able to fund this to give their lower level clients a helping hand.

    16) In Britannia the “man from Rome” got right down to business by asking the Governor of Upper Britannia if Britannia is “Worth staying in, or is it just a damp swamp, with no chance of being civilized?”. If this is Aulus Vitellius brother being diplomatic hate to see him when he is being undiplomatic. Its not as if Britannia has got any more swamps than Belgica or Germania Minor.



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    Post by Jason2 Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:48 pm

    Many thanks for the update Stuart, always good to know what is happening in the game.

    Quick question. Given Nero is dead (or presumed dead), who is now Emperor? I might be missing something in your updates but can't seem to see a mention of someone being declared the new Emperor. Or are players trying a different form of government?

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    Post by Regor Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:09 am

    Jason, currently we have a proto-republic with 2 elected consuls in Rome supported by Bactria, the Danube lands, Egypt,Moesian, Dalmatian and Macedonian provinces. Claiming to be Emperors are Otho and Pommpia (his ex and ex Empress), Cordus and the Guard and AN Other somewhere in the east. Or so I think. It’s been challenging trying to get players to act roughly together and protect:maintain the City and then tackle the various other challenges ….

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    Post by Stuart Bailey Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:32 am

    Jason2 wrote:Many thanks for the update Stuart, always good to know what is happening in the game.

    Quick question.  Given Nero is dead (or presumed dead), who is now Emperor?  I might be missing something in your updates but can't seem to see a mention of someone being declared the new Emperor.  Or are players trying a different form of government?

    The quick answer is "no one" the more complex answer is a lot of different people.  The Imperium designed by Augustus and his heirs was always a jumble of other earlier magistrates positions which at times could still be held by other trusted allies.  Topped of by ownership of Egypt as a private estate and the holding of the formerly sort term military post of "Dictator" ie commander in chief of the whole Roman Army for LIFE.  The whole designed to give Augustus and his heirs the power of a King of Rome but for reasons of health not actually saying this.

    Following the murder of Nero his killer and some bod in Asia and another one in the Senate put in claims to be Emperor and promptly got charged with treason and trying to usurper the arthority of the people of Rome to elect their own magistrates as well as other charges like murder of our beloved Nero, plotting with the Parthian foe etc, etc, etc.  With Roman traditionalists like Trajan the Elder pointing out a "Dictator" for life or any other period can only be appointed with the authority of both consuls and with Nero dead we were short of a consul plus a Censor, High Priest, Admiral and various other posts as well.

    New Elections have replaced Nero in various of the posts he held but too date so far the two Consuls have not seen fit to appoint a "Dictator" and the post is still open.  Meanwhile the Senate has seen fit to accept the will of Nero and his gift of Egypt as a Senatorial province.

    Think one way of looking at things is that the Republic is restored by default because those who claimed to be Emperor were light weights and a bunch of "stalking horses" put up by the Chaos Gods to try and flush some more serious contendors out of the woodwork.  As for the serious contendors like the Rhine, Danube and Eastern Army commanders they either seem to be "keeping their bow strings dry" waiting for a better time.  Or they have a dodgy knee, purple does not suit them, they do not like the legal hoops or walking round with a target on their back etc.  

    Perhaps the most likely of the serious contendors to put in a bid would be the Gov of Syria if he returns from his campaign against Parthia having won a crushing victory and loaded down with loot.

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    Post by Jason2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:43 am

    Many thanks to both of you Smile Does seem a bit confusing at the moment

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    Post by Regor Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:52 am

    Just a bit! The gods of Agema are delighted at this but it is challenging

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    Post by Stuart Bailey Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:28 am

    Regor wrote:Just a bit! The gods of Agema are delighted at this but it is challenging

    With various players having tried to do various parts of Nero many jobs what we have found so far is:-

    1) The Roman state is basically bankrupt and to be "Emperor" you will need a huge private fortune just to keep things running let alone pay your accession bonus to the Legions run games to keep the mob happy etc, etc........owning Egypt as a private estate and the loot of Parthia will probably be a good start.

    Currently in RIB Egypt is keeping Rome feed while even the Street Cleaners are being paid from Baetica. While the finance committee of the elected Government tries to figure out how to pay to restore the walls of Rome. Large donations could see a gate named in your honour.

    2) If only doing a small part of the job drains your coffers and sends you nuts........does anyone actually fancy the whole job? Bit like playing France in Glori x3 or x4 and EVERYTHING which goes wrong is your fault.

    Only problem is that if no one serious wants the whole job the Chaos Gods on Mount Agema and the Parthians keep putting up joke want to be Emperors who then have to be wiped out. Oh well its one way to reduce total costs and balance the books.

    3) Like in Scrabble the barbarians and trouble makers with matches seem to be having more fun than the Roman players, but that may be ending as various Roman players work out the best way to balance the books is beat up lots of Barbarians and sale the POWs.

    This is not a war.............more a special financial operation.

    4) Finally just for Jason 2.........no decision has been made about what to do about Britannia. Nero inherited the problem from Claudius and kicked the problem down the road. Current Administration seems to be doing the same........trying to get any info out of the fog is really hard but we suspect that when the Gods on Mount Agema do produce a scroll its = Going to be the jewel in the Roman Empire a province over flowing with gold, silver, productive land and good loyal tax payers Very Happy

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    Stuart Bailey wrote:
    Regor wrote:Just a bit! The gods of Agema are delighted at this but it is challenging

    With various players having tried to do various parts of Nero many jobs what we have found so far is:-

    1) The Roman state is basically bankrupt and to be "Emperor" you will need a huge private fortune just to keep things running let alone pay your accession bonus to the Legions run games to keep the mob happy etc, etc........owning Egypt as a private estate and the loot of Parthia will probably be a good start.

    Currently in RIB Egypt is keeping Rome feed while even the Street Cleaners are being paid from Baetica.  While the finance committee of the elected Government tries to figure out how to pay to restore the walls of Rome.  Large donations could see a gate named in your honour.

    2) If only doing a small part of the job drains your coffers and sends you nuts........does anyone actually fancy the whole job?  Bit like playing France in Glori x3 or x4 and EVERYTHING which goes wrong is your fault.

    Only problem is that if no one serious wants the whole job the Chaos Gods on Mount Agema and the Parthians keep putting up joke want to be Emperors who then have to be wiped out.  Oh well its one way to reduce total costs and balance the books.

    3) Like in Scrabble the barbarians and trouble makers with matches seem to be having more fun than the Roman players, but that may be ending as various Roman players work out the best way to balance the books is beat up lots of Barbarians and sale the POWs.

    This is not a war.............more a special financial operation.

    4) Finally just for Jason 2.........no decision has been made about what to do about Britannia.  Nero inherited the problem from Claudius and kicked the problem down the road.  Current Administration seems to be doing the same........trying to get any info out of the fog is really hard but we suspect that when the Gods on Mount Agema do produce a scroll its = Going to be the jewel in the Roman Empire a province over flowing with gold, silver, productive land and good loyal tax payers Very Happy  

       


    I don’t play in Rome. From what I have read though I would guess that nobody could realistically afford to play the Emperor. If it’s equal to x3 or x4 France. To play France well with enough orders would cost a player £100 a turn/month. At least. If the Emperor fee is x3 or even x4 France. The cost of playing the Emperor would be £300 or £400 a turn/month. Don’t know any player who would pay that month in or month out.
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    Post by Stuart Bailey Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:47 pm

    jamesbond007 wrote:

    I don’t play in Rome. From what I have read though I would guess that nobody could realistically afford to play the Emperor. If it’s equal to x3 or x4 France. To play France well with enough orders would cost a player £100 a turn/month. At least. If the Emperor fee is x3 or even x4 France. The cost of playing the Emperor would be £300 or £400 a turn/month. Don’t know any player who would pay that month in or month out.


    Unlike playing the Kingdom of France and having to do it all and pay for it all yourself. As Emperor in RIB you would mostly have to work through and with other players. So in pure cost terms it would be a lot cheaper than x4 French positions in Glori.

    However you would have to be a hell of a natural diplomat and great at balancing conflicting demands without leaving people feeling neglected.

    Probably example of France form Glori is a bad one. More like playing the Ottoman Sultan and having Persia attacking Syria, Your Bey of Egypt having a war to his south, a couple of vassels in revolt against you and Rumelia about to get over-run by the Barbarians. Probably have to help one or two of them but which ones?

    Compared to Glori Rome is Burning is a much more political game with a lot less emphasis on trade, R & D and messing around with units having latest types of sail or canon fitting etc so that makes game cheaper and quicker than Glori. Also Roman roads and lack of siege traynes also seems to make campaigns quicker.

    So probably best to think of RIB as holding a mid way point between Glori and the madness which is scrabble in both playing style and cost.

    Of course not everyone likes Men in bed sheets and some just want to burn it down. But probably fair to say the game is designed round the Roman Empire so Barbarians may have a lot of fun but may end up feeling a bit isolated and outnumbered.
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    Post by jamesbond007 Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:19 am

    Rome being cheaper and quicker than Glori is great. Just what us players are probably looking for. I suppose downsides being there is less to do in Rome, hence the quickness. Also although the game is quicker you still have to wait for Richard to process the game in turn order. So still a five or six week turnaround.?

    Only real downside being. Turns are fairly quick to process, hence a long wait time between turns. Probably feels an age between turns. Be good if Richard could slot two Rome turns in that five or six week turnaround time. Thanks for the insight.

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    Post by Regor Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:49 pm

    I think Rome IS different to Glori and was perhaps intended to have every player Woking for themselves. Trying to work together seems to be punished by the Gods. And players keep inventing stuff! Whether any of it will actually pay off for the inventor I have no idea!

    My character decided to clear a river (and rename it for our dear departed emperor) took 1.5 times longer than planned and now the intended river traffic/trade requires a bloody port building. Currently the cash will go to Rome when I get it and when its intended purpose is assured. It was every so droll when a gift to start the wall rebuilding was directed to some more mundane ‘projects’.

    But it is the challenges that make the fun happen!

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    Regor wrote:I think Rome IS different to Glori and was perhaps intended to have every player Woking for themselves. Trying to work together seems to be punished by the Gods. And players keep inventing stuff! Whether any of it will actually pay off for the inventor I have no idea!

    My character decided to clear a river (and rename it for our dear departed emperor) took 1.5 times longer than planned and now the intended river traffic/trade requires a bloody port building. Currently the cash will go to Rome when I get it and when its intended purpose is assured. It was every so droll when a gift to start the wall rebuilding was directed to some more mundane ‘projects’.

    But it is the challenges that make the fun happen!

    If you think your donation to help rebuild the walls of Rome and get a gate named after your character is a bit "Mundane" you should see some of the orders being put in for the Pontifex Maximus (or at least his Rome based deputy).

    Currently Trajan is paying out 50,000 denerii a month to help fund street and temple cleaners so religious processions do not end up sunk in rubbish. The House which goes with the Job has been taken over as offices for the Vestal Virgins - but guess who is still paying the upkeep. And I hate to think what would happen if I asked the Vestals for rent !!

    Also seems I should be paying for monthly meetings of the Collegium Pontificum to record omens and prodigies (lightning strikes, births of two headed animals, rains of stones or blood etc) in the sacred books of the libri pontificales.

    This I would add is just the recording if we want the meaning of said omens and prodigies this question needs to be passed to the second post important Roman Priestly College - the Augurs.

    Not saying the Augurs are about as difficult as say the Hungarian Diet or the Scots Estates General faced with a tax increase but they are not far off.

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    Post by Jason2 Sat Sep 23, 2023 12:15 pm

    It does sound like the Roman players are more caught up in dealing with the administration of the empire than trying to take control...too much red tape and not enough red blood of your enemies on your swords?

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    Jason2 wrote:It does sound like the Roman players are more caught up in dealing with the administration of the empire than trying to take control...too much red tape and not enough red blood of your enemies on your swords?

    Probably true..........but you can die strangled in Roman Red Tape, Laws and Dodgy Omens! Not looking too good for Cordus is it?

    Like to think that we some enemy of Trajan who thinks they look good in Purple finally decides to defy's the law and the will of the Gods (as represented by their Pontifex Maximus) his marches his Legions into Rome to put a bunch of old men in bed sheets to death.

    Another lot of old men who think they should have bed sheets with a nice purple trim are going to meet up and a white doe is going to walk out of the Mountains of Iberia and lick the right sword hand of Trajan the Younger.

    Jews, Christians, Druids and Agents of the Fire Worshipping King of Parthia are going to die choking on Red Tape. Though I understand Henbane, Hemlock and Fly Agaric Mushrooms can do the same job.

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    Post by Jason2 Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:16 pm

    Thanks Stuart, do find your insights very informative Smile

    Do feel sorry for Regor, if you send money to Rome to pay for one thing but it gets used for something else, is that fraud? Do we need to borrow a TARDIS to transport some of my G10 Scottish Lawyers back to RIB? I am sure he would have a strong case to present to the courts
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    Post by Stuart Bailey Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:58 pm

    Jason2 wrote:Thanks Stuart, do find your insights very informative Smile

    Do feel sorry for Regor, if you send money to Rome to pay for one thing but it gets used for something else, is that fraud?  Do we need to borrow a TARDIS to transport some of my G10 Scottish Lawyers back to RIB?  I am sure he would have a strong case to present to the courts

    No need to transport Lawyers back in time to RIB as Rome already has some of the best lawyers, judges and courts money can buy.

    Proof of how good Roman Lawyers are in RIB is the fact that some of them got the Noble Senator Pompious off treason charges etc.

    Fact that he then dropped dead in the arms of his mistress probably down to shock that his Lawyers had got him off. Well that or shock on seeing the size of his legal bill.

    Think the problem for Regor Character that as consul he is officially joint head of the Roman Government so if he sued he would probably end up sueing himself. Which sounds like an expensive legal bill to me.

    Other problem is that Regor basically through the cash into bucket marked Roman Treasury which has a large hole in the bottom (marked excess spending over income). So currently Regor could order the building work which means we go bust faster or not order building work which means his 1m denerii pushes the date Rome does bust further away.

    Think most Rome players are stuck between need to top up bucket and need to try and repair the hole. Historically some cost control under Vespasian and then the looting of the 2nd Temple followed by looting of Dacia and the Parthian Treasury pushed problem 50 years down the road but not sure if problem was really fixed. The Noble Team Rome in RIB currently thinking about problem and going "Think we may have a problem here" while considering various solutions some of which may be worse than others.

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    Post by Jason2 Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:22 pm

    I've got to be honest Stuart, after reading your posts I wonder why anyone would even want to think about being Emperor...it's all too much hard work and expensive Very Happy Maybe it's better for different players to grab bits of the Empire and declare independence Very Happy

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    Post by Regor Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:19 pm

    I’m sure the gods would applaud the break up and subsequent battles BUT having seen what amazing luck the rebel Praetorian Guard and their False Emperor has had…. We’ll it should also act as a dire warning ⚠🤣
    Seriously it’s a new game, straight from the box and all the players are learning. As I suspect is the GM.

    It can be expensive and or frustrating but at least one player is enjoying a stint with minimal payment and adequate Glory. So hope is not (all) lost.

    Now where did the XIII lose that eagle???

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