Game 10

Well, my Character never recommended that his most Christain Majesty should send someone to a peace conference.

His advise ref the illegal Bavarian Army of occupation in Flanders was:

1) Ask them nicely to return home.....with thanks for loyal service to Charles II, payment of outstand expenses etc, etc

2) Blown hole in wall and ask them nicely again.

If that does not work:

3) Load their heads into barges and send them down Rhine to Munich, then burn Bavaria down to the bed rock.

I am still working on the theory but I think chance of getting Agema NPC to sign a treaty is linked to a) Economic Health.......if you can get it down to 0 or 1 they will pretty much sign anything and b) The number of them you kil.  Have tried being nice to them esp in G7 but it just does not seem to work.

So in G10 I am recommending more "traditional methods" ...... French player is still in "nice, soft & cuddly Louis mode" but I think he enjoys role playing the "moderate" keeping control of some of the more wild elements at his court.  Or "plauseable denialabity" according to Anglo-Dutch-Scots.

Think at some stage some of my NPC's are probably going to end up in the Bastille for exceeding orders.  But I am told its a very nice cell with views of the gardens:giveup:

Austria is attending on the understanding it was a player organised peace conference and are happy with Poland taking the lead; although we are also on good terms with Saxony.

Check with Richard to see if it is a mistake and if not something has happened ingame.

I am.

But might want to clarify that you are attending on that basis.

Deacon wrote:

One of my whole points in calling the conference was that it was NOT an Agema Peace conference. No treaty would be foisted off on anybody. If parties couldn't come to agreement, they could walk. I would be annoyed if this stopped being true. I hope it isn't, and I think any player would have plenty of cause to complain (as a player) and repudiate any treaty as a character.

But, the possibility that this is sort of what is happening is why I brought it up. Does Richard think that any time you use the word "peace conference" that he gets to roll the dice and determine what happens? I wouldn't think so, but I've been wrong in the game before.

My best guess is that your explanation for why the Saxon ambassador has taken over the conference is right, though it still doesn't make much sense.

I would agree with you. Peace conferences should not simply be a case of Richard making the decisions, there has to be occasions where a player can be "kingmaker" (or "peacemaker") in them-chairing the conference, putting forward the proposals, etc.

If Richard did feel that the resulting agreement in such a case was unrealistic or was some sort of stitch up between players, he has the resources to do something about it 'in game'

Have been away for a while & not had a chance to get on this thread, but some good points have been made.

Maybe as has been pointed out courtly precedence has been followed & the Elector of Saxony /King of Poland's ambassador has been put in charge, After all the Elector historically converted to Catholicism to become king of Poland.
Player negotiated treaties are possible the treaty of Munich in G2 was a success & everyone seemed to stick to the letter & spirit of the treaty.
Maybe with such a major position & such a game altering outcome available Agema has decided to take a hand in the interests of game balance, this is of course only an assumption & not based on any facts at all
Having been on one end of the Warsaw treaty, I can only wish the participants luck, your certainly going to need it, work on the theory that you will all get exactly what you don't want & you probably have a rough idea of the outcome. Maybe One of the clauses will include the mandate that the French Navy in the Med is not allowed to be larger than the Austrian One, That Naples Goes to Venice, Austria gets The Americas & the Pope Spain. France gets the rest & the Jacobite get Milan.

February 1702 turn is out.

I wont post any spoilers, except ...

[that's an Indian and African elephant!]

Well that's me nearly done my orders ...anyone else ?

I'm on holiday. I've read it, but won't work on it until I'm back. but it should be s another short turn.

The Rozwi Indaba - The Voice of Africa

MAUNG
Changamire Dombo stood atop the piled shields of his
escort, looking out across the flat plain towards Maung
which his army moved against. He watched the two
horn formations under chiefs Wingombi and Torwa
advance and envelop, while Chief Mutapa's horsemen
encircled and cut off the western approaches to the
township.

A flock of wading birds sprang up out of the waters
of River Thamalakane, startled as warriors of the
Rhino Regiment stood and chanted their war cries to the
accompaniment of their shield drumming. The men
of the Lion Regiment, furthest of the eastern horn,
crept forward through the tall grasses, their passage marked
by the swaying of the reeds, before appearing into the
clearing before the edge of the kraal to stand and take
up their own singing and drumming.

Changamire Dombo pointed out the band to his right, his
spear aimed forward indicating the regiments,
then levelled horizontal to issue the command to halt.

The army stood. Singing. Drumming. Champions
racing forward from the ranks to dance and jump,
challenging the men of Maung to come out to face
them. Changamire Dombo held his forces back, waiting
to see if the elders would surrender Maung after
seeing this great show of strength.

His spear picked out the Leopard Regiment. He
signalled to them with two upright forward thrusts that
they were to move forward towards Maung.

The Ovambo village of Maung has been conquered
by the Rozwi. The warriors met no resistance.

KHAMI
Chief Sanchez of the Indabade and his warriors
returned to Khami from Binga, and ensured Princess
Amanaki Akani, the only daughter of King Chewa
Akani of Tonga, was housed in the Royal Kraal.

INHAMBANE
Kumalo Stosha, Rozwi's ambassador-at-large, strode
towards the low stone wall which marked the area
around the White Man kraal. The place was set
apart from the people's huts, kept at a distance so as to
make living separate easier. One of the Rozwi women
assigned to the Whites rushed past him, a woven jar
balanced atop her head. The two Europeans came out
from inside their kraal, their white-as-the-dead faces
burnt and blistered where the sun cooked their skins.
The crippled White sailor dragged his leg as he
followed them. Kushinga stopped a pace behind
Kumalo, both of them waiting as the Europeans
came to them.

The shipwrecked sailor spoke for the European
king's diplomats. His words mostly not understood. The
odd word he spoke sounded like a Portuguese word that
Kushinga knew - it was established that the
Frenchman spoke a form of speech which was a mixture
of French and Spanish, making it's own language.
He would attempt translation for the other two.

Kumalo ignored the pantomime. He allowed his
gaze to sweep the sandy headlands that protected the
settlement from the white flecked waters of the sea. His
eyes scanned the distance, as his ears were assaulted by the
language battle taking place next to him.

“This one is ‘Scotman'," Kushinga pointed to Thomas
Blake Glover. “He arrived here first and brought with
him a drink that sets fire in your belly. The other, the one
who arrived with the new moon, he is ‘Holanman'," as
Eric van d'Linden was henceforth to be known.
“The sailor says that the two of them share a king. Their
countries are like two halfbrothers with the same father.
Each one's name is made up of many words, too long and
hard to say - the people here refer to them by the names I
have told you."

The two diplomats stood looking at Kumalo, waiting
for him to do something. Kumalo wished he had a
herd of cattle to gift to each, like he had done for the
Portuguese governor to the north, but he did not - the
Changamire was far to the east, and he was not
permitted to simply take cattle and promise
compensation from the royal herd. Kumalo was at a
loss as to what to now do.

“Tell them that His Majesty, the Changamire, will return
victorious shortly. Prepare themselves to travel to
Khami. And learn to speak Rozwi Bantu."

Kumalo spread his lips into a wide smile and flashed his
large white teeth at the three Whites. “Bom Dia," he used
the few words that he knew of Portuguese - but his
words received blank looks, only the sailor appeared to
understand.

CAPETOWN
Mutumwa Dongo of the Rozwi informed
Gouverneur-Generaal van de Stel, “Any track way
between Khami and Capetown would run
through Herrero lands, also not forgetting the Kalahari
Desert. Surely the Dutchman's boats are
mighty enough to sail to Inhambane. Does not the
fine ship, ‘Theodor’ have canoes to get from boat to
beach?”

The governor answered, “Yes that is the case, and a
trade route by sea rather than overland would make
sense commercially and practically. No intention of
going inland myself, we are a seafaring nation after all,
unlike you people!”

"There is always something new out of Africa"

Interesting to see both Bavaria and France marching an army during winter and missing each other

I'm just pleased to see the Rozwi appreciate good whisky

Maybe I should offer an deal to allow the Rozwi exclusive rights to trade whisky across Southern Africa...

Can Rozwi be the official dagga supplier to Scotland, then?

You supply the whisky and we'll supply the weed.  



Just need to get a Scottish chemist to write a paper extolling the medicinal properties of Rozwi cannabis, then sales should go through the roof

HELP G10 IS TURNING INTO SCRABBLE

I think I will get really concerned if Scots & African G10 dealers in "pain killers for medical purposes only" are joined by Triads, English Hongs and French Nuns in a world wide struggle for control.

Perhaps to prove if whisky or Opium is a better pain killer you should get a third party to set up medical tests.......say cut off 50 legs using whisky as the pain killer and another 50 using opium as the pain killer?

Was going to suggest the Dutch Navy to do the testing (lots of people falling from Masts etc) but the Gin may spoil the test. As an alternative can you get lots of pain killers to the Bavarian Army which now seems to be almost trapped against the Coast with no artillery and a French Army between it and Bavaria?

Rozwi_Game10 wrote:Can Rozwi be the official dagga supplier to Scotland, then?

You supply the whisky and we'll supply the weed.  



Just need to get a Scottish chemist to write a paper extolling the medicinal properties of Rozwi cannabis, then sales should go through the roof

Hmmm Trainspotting 18th C style...wagonspotting? eastindiamanspotting?

Mind you, not sure I ought to consider allowing such things into Scotland...but perhaps France would be a better market? for a Rozwi-Scottish company?

Jason wrote:

Rozwi_Game10 wrote:Can Rozwi be the official dagga supplier to Scotland, then?

You supply the whisky and we'll supply the weed.  



Just need to get a Scottish chemist to write a paper extolling the medicinal properties of Rozwi cannabis, then sales should go through the roof

Hmmm Trainspotting 18th C style...wagonspotting?  eastindiamanspotting?

Mind you, not sure I ought to consider allowing such things into Scotland...but perhaps France would be a better market? for a Rozwi-Scottish company?

France is happy to import Opium for treatment of dental pain and the like. But if anyone is going to cut a Bavarian bullet out of one of my Characters its the best Brandy thank you very much:drunken:

Good news. I looked over Rozwi's finances and we'll be okay for another year. Personal Wealth might just have to supplement the national treasury, but it'll be all good in the end.

No need to go begging for a loan from somewhere, just yet.

Turn is off. Sorry to my correspondents, but with my own holiday just ended, I'm not as detailed in my letters as usual...

Yep, Rozwi's next turn will only be a short one.

Now that the invasion of our neighbours is official and we've captured the village/town of Maung (3000 inhabitants - which is a large settlement in S. Africa considering the Rozwi capital has only 7000 souls), the standing orders for the coming turn is to patrol/seize/subjugate the captured land and bring it fully under Rozwi control. That being the case I'll keep my turn orders very brief (and concerning trade) and just allow Richard to do as much or as a little as he wants in regard the war.

Not much will be happening with Rozwi next turn - so apologies Scotland and Holland, I've been ill / am still ill, and haven't progressed the diplomatic story line further.

If the next couple of turns in this game or any other are marked by threats or actual violence by any of my Characters.........blame the Australians and the England Cricket team.

The good news in G10 is that I have found a really cool French Corsair flag.......its a whole death on red with death holding a rum bottle and dancing on skulls.  Its actually a flag used in the West Indies rather than European Waters but in the words of the song "its my flag and I can fly it if I want too."

Quick pass the Bloody flag, the Rum, the Matches and the Street Map of Venice

Turn has dropped.

Nothing too shocking.

Some riots in Barcelona (no surprise that spain is suffering a bit.)
Various doings in Flanders
'colourful' Dutch ambassador to the peace conference
Lots of Moghul fighting.
The Shogun seems really annoyed with how orders he issued got followed. Every Glory player ever I'm sure relates to that feeling!

Hope the new Dutch representative to the peace talks gets his chance to burn & pillage Rome. Would certainly liven up the peace talks, or are they just playing for time until the troops are in position?

A sacking of Rome certainly would liven up the game! Don't think he can quite manage it single handed however.

Ok, that's it...I'm sending a drunken Scottish sailor to Rome as my representative...the Dutch have set the standard...I intend to lower it...

Except that if he's drunk, he won't make it to Rome since clearly what he wants is close at hand!