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    Post by Hapsburg Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:09 pm

    Thanks for the summary and the Emperor appreciates his son-in law's support!

    10. Slightly confused with the next diplomatic appointment but it seems a Spanish grandee has been appointed as ambassador to Venice for Austria?

    You are not the only one who is surprised lol. You don't expect a leading Spanish noble to become your ambassador. My guess is Rodrigo has a low honour score and this is Agema's way of reflecting that.
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    Post by jamesbond007 Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:33 pm

    Rodrigo does not have a low honour score. I thought he must have been recruited by Austria. Perhaps Austria has a low honour score, hence Austria getting a Spanish citizen as one of its Ambassadors. This has to be the answer. Forced upon Austria by the referee for low Austrian honour. Why else would you recruit a foreigner for your Ambassador. ? Not enough learned Gentlemen who are Austrian who want the job.Lack of confidence in King Leopold.

    Perhaps a further and clearer example of low Austrian honour is. King Leopold has banned all Spanish Trade in Leopold Lands Due to Spanish Trade success. However the Holy Roman Empire States have gone against him and Not banned Spanish trade at all.
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    Post by Hapsburg Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:52 pm

    I had to reply  Smile

    We are both guessing, but I would argue that my guess best fits the facts as reported in recent newspapers.

    The Emperor / Rodrigo has a low honour score? A discussion.

    In the past six-month months, after Paris was occupied by the Austrian-controlled Reichsarmee; Austria and its allies defeated France, the Emperor signed a fair peace treaty with France that protects all members of the Holy Roman Empire and reinstated Strassburg as an Imperial Free City. The Emperor followed the Diet of Austria’s advice and protected Austrian merchants, and entertained the Prince of Denmark in Vienna.

    Spain has so far failed to ban slavery as promised to His Holiness, invaded Genoa using merchantmen without a declaration of war, and is publicly criticised every month for this invasion and its trade policies. Spanish spies were arrested in Genoa, Naples, and Vienna. Spain tried and failed to entice French regiments to remain in Milan. A Cardinal / ambassador was publicly accused of spying.

    These events will have varying levels of weight - increases or decreases in honour.
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    Post by jamesbond007 Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:32 am

    Just to help you out on the slavery front.

    The treaty signed by Spain and the Pope simply  reads that Spain will move towards ending slavery as soon as it can. It says a reduction in the Spanish slave trade must come by the end of 1707. This has been complied with already so no loss of honour due to slavery.

    The treaty also reads that the Pope believes Naples and Sicily belong to Spain, not Austria. So perhaps there is a steady stream of honour loss by Austria for going against the Pope. ? Also Austria married one of its heirs to a Russian orthodox faith princess. So perhaps more honour loss due to this event. The Pope is clearly angry with Austria.

    I would also point out. That King Leopold has also ended a multi year war with France with no real gain for Austria and all its hard work and death. Started a trade war with probably  the games wealthiest position. Married his son  and heir to a princess from another religion. Started a trade war, which the rest of the HRE states refused to back him. Now he takes on an Ambassador from another state.Possibly due to low honour.
    I would suggest the Austrian honour must be on the floor.


    Another point to make and only just noticed it. Spain has climbed two places on the Baltic trade theatre leaderboard this month. Not a bad start to the trade war.
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    Post by Michael0 Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:43 pm

    Gentlemen, you can't fight here this is the war games forum Smile Smile

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    Post by Hapsburg Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:49 pm

    He was telling tales about me and my family sir!  Game 10 - Page 35 1f602  Game 10 - Page 35 1f602  Leopold’s heir married a Catholic.

    Time will tell what degree distant or recent events affect honour, as will Leopold’s prompt return to the honour table  Game 10 - Page 35 1f609

    Great to have extra days’ leave for Easter.
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    Post by Hapsburg Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:07 pm

    As it is the April turn, does anyone compare the April expenditure unit totals against what units are detailed in their state’s papers? Never had time before.
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    Post by jamesbond007 Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:37 pm

    Hapsburg wrote:He was telling tales about me and my family sir!  Game 10 - Page 35 1f602  Game 10 - Page 35 1f602  Leopold’s heir married a Catholic.

    Time will tell what degree distant or recent events affect honour, as will Leopold’s prompt return to the honour table  Game 10 - Page 35 1f609

    Great to have extra days’ leave for Easter.


    Not telling lies. Your daughter married the Russian Tsar’s Son and Heir to his Empire. Your Catholic daughter and his Russian Orthodox son. I would guess these kinds of acts do not sit well with a Pope.
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    Post by Stuart Bailey Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:30 pm

    jamesbond007 wrote:
    Hapsburg wrote:He was telling tales about me and my family sir!  Game 10 - Page 35 1f602  Game 10 - Page 35 1f602  Leopold’s heir married a Catholic.

    Time will tell what degree distant or recent events affect honour, as will Leopold’s prompt return to the honour table  Game 10 - Page 35 1f609

    Great to have extra days’ leave for Easter.


    Not telling lies. Your daughter married the Russian Tsar’s Son and Heir to his Empire. Your Catholic daughter  and his Russian Orthodox son. I would guess these kinds of acts do not sit well with a Pope.

    Speaking as a Hapsburg (G7 not G10) problems with Hapsburg marriage policy seems to be a bit of a theme in several games. In G7 the Hapsburgs are looking for nice Catholic boys for no less than five girls and eventually a nice Catholic girl for the Infante of Spain........and unlike G10 we decided against a nice Catholic Girl of the House of Austria marrying a Heratic of any type in case it upset the Pope and Catholic Tax Payers.

    So far we have looked at the possibility of a marriage alliance with the House of Savoy. But the French invaded and the Crown Prince of Savoy is now a captive of the French.

    Looked at a marriage alliance with the House of Lorraine. But the French invaded and the Crown Prince of Lorraine is now a captive of the French.

    Advisors also came up with a list of eligible Poles, but then the Russians, Swedes, Prussians and English all invaded Poland.

    So far we have secured agreed marriage alliance with Portugal and another one with Bavaria which hopefully the French will not ruin.

    But with four more to go may have to consider other options. Can anyone advise how much honour it will cost if a Spanish Hapsburg Princess marries a non Catholic?

    Guess other option is to keep hitting the French untill they give back our bridegrooms.

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    Post by Hapsburg Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:04 pm

    Not telling lies. Your daughter married the Russian Tsar’s Son and Heir to his Empire. Your Catholic daughter and his Russian Orthodox son. I would guess these kinds of acts do not sit well with a Pope.

    I have never been so active!

    Of course, not lies, but you are mixing up Leopold’s family members and the “heir”.

    Leopold’s eldest son and heir is King Joseph (married to a Catholic)
    Leopold’s eldest daughter married the Tsar (not the Tsar’s son – if he already has one?)

    Only Leopold’s sons can inherit.

    Have another daughter to marry a nice Catholic. Game 10 - Page 35 1f600
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    Post by jamesbond007 Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:08 am

    Ok thanks for that. I knew there was a marriage there somewhere. Save me looking it up. I bet your other marriageable daughter does  not end up marrying into King Rodrigo's of Spain’s family. Very Happy
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    Post by Marshal Bombast Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:37 pm

    Hapsburg wrote:As it is the April turn, does anyone compare the April expenditure unit totals against what units are detailed in their state’s papers? Never had time before.

    Not really in that detail. I've usually got an idea of the ballpark amount that my orders over the year will increase the annual expenditure by and then I round up to avoid nasty surprises. If it's way out from the ballpark then I'd possibly look into it in more detail but this approach has worked for the last few years.

    This turn coming will be my 5th game year anniversary, can't believe it's been that long as time has flown by and I've enjoyed it all the way!
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    Post by Married to the Sea Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:44 am

    Venice is happy to accept any ambassador that listens and remembers my name Rolling Eyes Russians rolling into Trieste have really settled the area down !! Hope they don't get mistaken as Pirates by us and Malta !!
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    Post by Marshal Bombast Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:28 pm

    Married to the Sea wrote:Russians rolling into Trieste have really settled the area down !!

    The Tsar has been working very hard on improving Russia's appreciation of culture and science. Having heard about Mediterranean package holidays it was time to send some tourists to see what the sun is like there. Soon there'll be great coats reserving the sun loungers, only issue being the hotel's not built yet Smile

    Married to the Sea wrote:Hope they don't get mistaken as Pirates by us and Malta !!

    Pirate identification checklist:
    1. Beards check
    2. Alcoholic spirits check
    3. Orthodox cross on flag ooops

    Well 2 out of 3 ain't bad
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    Post by Hapsburg Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:45 pm

    Not really in that detail. I've usually got an idea of the ballpark amount that my orders over the year will increase the annual expenditure by and then I round up to avoid nasty surprises. If it's way out from the ballpark then I'd possibly look into it in more detail but this approach has worked for the last few years.

    This turn coming will be my 5th game year anniversary, can't believe it's been that long as time has flown by and I've enjoyed it all the way!

    Austria transferred in and out so many units it may be a useful task to undertake; may even get a refund, or more likely a debt lol.

    Congratulations and onward to another 5 years! I think the time goes even quicker when the game is full of events such as wars.

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    Post by Stuart Bailey Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:28 am

    Hapsburg wrote:
    Not really in that detail. I've usually got an idea of the ballpark amount that my orders over the year will increase the annual expenditure by and then I round up to avoid nasty surprises. If it's way out from the ballpark then I'd possibly look into it in more detail but this approach has worked for the last few years.

    This turn coming will be my 5th game year anniversary, can't believe it's been that long as time has flown by and I've enjoyed it all the way!

    Austria transferred in and out so many units it may be a useful task to undertake; may even get a refund, or more likely a debt lol.

    Congratulations and onward to another 5 years! I think the time goes even quicker when the game is full of events such as wars.

    Like I have said before Game needs Ottomans - helps to speed things up for Austria, Venice and Russia.

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    Post by jamesbond007 Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:59 am

    Stuart Bailey wrote:
    Hapsburg wrote:
    Not really in that detail. I've usually got an idea of the ballpark amount that my orders over the year will increase the annual expenditure by and then I round up to avoid nasty surprises. If it's way out from the ballpark then I'd possibly look into it in more detail but this approach has worked for the last few years.

    This turn coming will be my 5th game year anniversary, can't believe it's been that long as time has flown by and I've enjoyed it all the way!

    Austria transferred in and out so many units it may be a useful task to undertake; may even get a refund, or more likely a debt lol.

    Congratulations and onward to another 5 years! I think the time goes even quicker when the game is full of events such as wars.

    Like I have said before Game needs Ottomans - helps to speed things up for Austria, Venice and Russia.


    I agree. The good news in g10 is that we now have an Ottoman player. He just needs a bit of time to build up the position.
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    Post by Marshal Bombast Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:41 pm

    jamesbond007 wrote:
    Stuart Bailey wrote:
    Hapsburg wrote:
    Not really in that detail. I've usually got an idea of the ballpark amount that my orders over the year will increase the annual expenditure by and then I round up to avoid nasty surprises. If it's way out from the ballpark then I'd possibly look into it in more detail but this approach has worked for the last few years.

    This turn coming will be my 5th game year anniversary, can't believe it's been that long as time has flown by and I've enjoyed it all the way!

    Austria transferred in and out so many units it may be a useful task to undertake; may even get a refund, or more likely a debt lol.

    Congratulations and onward to another 5 years! I think the time goes even quicker when the game is full of events such as wars.

    Like I have said before Game needs Ottomans - helps to speed things up for Austria, Venice and Russia.


    I agree. The good news in g10 is that we now have an Ottoman player. He just needs a bit of time to build up the position.

    At least 2 players currently with the Anatolian Sultan and the new Wali in Egypt. Anyone else want to sign up to a great team position?
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    Post by jamesbond007 Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:04 am

    Speaking as a Hapsburg (G7 not G10) problems with Hapsburg marriage policy seems to be a bit of a theme in several games.  In G7 the Hapsburgs are looking for nice Catholic boys for no less than five girls and eventually a nice Catholic girl for the Infante of Spain........and unlike G10 we decided against a nice Catholic Girl of the House of Austria marrying a Heratic of any type in case it upset the Pope and Catholic Tax Payers.

    So far we have looked at the possibility of a marriage alliance with the House of Savoy.  But the French invaded and the Crown Prince of Savoy is now a captive of the French.

    Looked at a marriage alliance with the House of Lorraine.  But the French invaded and the Crown Prince of Lorraine is now a captive of the French.

    Advisors also came up with a list of eligible Poles, but then the Russians, Swedes, Prussians and English all invaded Poland.

    So far we have secured agreed marriage alliance with Portugal and another one with Bavaria which hopefully the French will not ruin.

    But with four more to go may have to consider other options.  Can anyone advise how much honour it will cost if a Spanish Hapsburg Princess marries a non Catholic?

    Guess other option is to keep hitting the French untill they give back our bridegrooms.  [/quote]


    Very good point. How much honour a Hapsburg Kings daughter who married the Tzar of Russia, who is Russian Orthodox has lost and continue to lose for the Emperor. Hard to gage as there was a war on at the time as well between Austria and France.

    All I remember is. That Austria was on the leaderboard and in the top ten at the time. Even as high as four or five I think. Now he has dropped off it and has done for a couple of years now. Perhaps his honour will not recover as long as this marriage remains.?

    Usually in other games the Emperor holds a high position in society  and on the honour leaderboard. So I guess in g10 it must cost a fair bit of honour. Going against fellow Catholics must be honour costly. In g10 the Emperor starts a trade war against Spain but the rest of the HRE does not join Austria. I guess this is down to low honour. Never known the Empire to not back the Emperor before.

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